Intuition: Which Class Will Make The Best 2v2 Partner For A Death Knight?

Death Knights have some of the same weaknesses as Warriors when it comes to being controlled and without an MS effect, it'll be hard for a DK to run with a healer in 2s.

 

So you are thinking double DPS will be king for DKs?

 

Yes.  DKs can do a lot of burst and have the capability to keep someone close to them via different talents and abilities, but I don't think that it will be viable since DKs don't really have any CC.  They have 3 interrupts that they can chain on someone for a kill, but things have to go perfectly and I don't see that happening with all the instant heals healers are able to throw out now a days.

 

I'm probably going to try out DK/Rogue, my friend is rolling DK and my rogue. I think it will compete with DK/Mage for the best DK comps. DK and Rogue have good synergy, but mages burst is incredible along with their CC.

 

In theory I (warlock) would love to do 2v2 with a DK. They provide a good snare and of course the peel of Death Grip. The Death Knight shines where the Warlock falls short. Theorycraft is theorycraft though.

But tbh why would a DK play with a warlock when you can get the everything the warlock has except Tongues, but better and they can spec for slow if they wanted.

 

I should read what I type, in the second part I meant to add in "when playing with a mage"

 

Thanks for weighing in, Lemonayd, but I think you left a word out or something... why play with a warlock when you can play with a ______ ?    Which class did you mean was basically superior in every way?

--edit--  I see after I posted my comment that you answered.  Nice spam we have going now.

 

Imo paladin. With the longevity and high dmg mitigation they will be a very strong comp. Paladins now have strong cc and burst if spec'd for it. Deathknights will be very hard to burst down which greatly compensates a holy paladins ease of being locked out for extended periods of time.

 

So are you envisioning the best combo being with holy or ret paladin?

 

Holy paladin. I don't see ret being super special in 2s.

 

You still think it will work even with the latest changes (nerfs?) to paladin, I mean it could work because I haven't personally seen major changes in my paladins effectiveness in pvp.

 

I haven't personally seen major changes in my paladins effectiveness in pvp.
Many of the damage nerfs haven't gone live yet.

 

I had the same feelings as what has already been stated: No MS + healer= rough times. DK's will probably be better off as double dps in 2's. I would venture a guess at mages / ret palis could be viable; I hate theorycrafting but I gave it a good 10 second reflection and think those combos could be worthy.

 

Mage priest works fine, shadow priest druid works fine. Just because you have a healer doesn't mean you need an MS.

 

It works fine because of the CC chains they can do.  DKs don't have a CC.

 

Actually, they have Hungering Cold, but it all depends what spec is going to be the best and then it also is a very short range.

 

When I was thinking of comps I was thinking of FOTM comps / comps the layman would play.

Pretty much what niney said; mage/priest can reset the fight almost infinitely on top of the CC.

Spriest/Druid i've only seen once and that was noxn on a pve geared dwarf  and looped, two amazing players. Not to mention the dwarf noxn played on had the Earring, which is pretty major for such fights as dru/rog; although on ruins (they're "home map") they killed the rogue pretty quickly in one of the clips released. But ya I cannot say i've ever seen / heard of any successful spriest/dru comps and don't see it becoming a popular comp (but like I said I hate theorycrafting so I could be wrong :P ).

 

**** I JUST RIPT MY TITS OFF

 

since warlock dmg generation is endless, ideally you would want a

rogue/warlock/maybe a restokin or retpally

so...

Which Class Will Make The Best 2v2 Partner For A Death Knight?
s1:
rogue/walock/restokin/retpally
s2-s3:
rogue.... lock


in the long run i think rogue is gonna work well
2 very high surviuvable classes ( ams + cos )
control
ms

but this is easily counterable by a 2cc hybrid healer setup

 

Virtua, can you give an example of what you mean by a 2cc hybrid healer setup?   Something like Priest/Mage or Druid/Warlock?

 

yea defiantly like druid warlock(im going to be running druid/mage), its going to be interesting to see how druid/lock or the new"druid/lock" is going to handle 2melee rushdown teams.(similar to old fdruid/rogue vs druid/war or druid/rogue)

im predicting a well played ( ie better at me and my partner at the game) rogue/dk(again similar to old fdruid/rogue) to beat my druid/mage with welltimed cooldown usage with a good swap to the druid, while we should be able to easily farm melee/healer, wheras the non druid healer/melee should be able to deal with the cleave 2's because all they have to trinket is blind and peel the melee until they run out of breaks.

this is all theory of course , roughly based off current game design ect. rogue/dk will most likely be able to extract easy wins vs druid/x by focusing druid and using their anti cc effectivly. while non druid/melee ( war/hpal, war/rsham ) should be able to extact an easy win vs rogue/dk.

given equal skill of course, im pretty sure our druid/mage will beat most rogue/x

 

Well, as a melee player I'm not sure it gets much more annoying than playing against Druid + Mage.  Ugh!

 

me and pigvomit are betting on 2 classes with good survivability, control/cc , heals , and longevity(new innvate glyph) give us a good chance to outskill both cleave and casters

 

Played as Unholy in Beta, two classes I was most successful with was playing with an Ice Mage and a Shockadin. Was able to hit 2k rating as DK/Shockadin on Beta pretty easily, not sure if Shockadins got any kind of nerfs since then or not, was about a week or two before 3.0 went live.

 

Do you think Unholy will be your arena spec of choice in first season, based on the current state of the game?

 

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=55670 is a Must-have if your teammate doesn't have a good spammable snare.

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=55623 is a Must-have if you plan on using a Ghoul in Arena.

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=51052 is amazing.

http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=49222 is great if used correctly.

4 things you won't be grabbing unless you go full Unholy.

No other specs can really compare at the moment, even with double DPS team with an Ice Mage, Unholy is much more effective. There may be -some- exceptions where Frost or Blood may be better to spec with certain arena comps(I highly doubt those arena comps will be effective.) because of better burst potential, but overall, Unholy will be the dominant spec doing the best in Arena.

Expect every top Death Knight in Arena to be 21/0/50 spec.

 

I think they will have good sinergy with a BM hunter, u get mortal strike instant, and good burst, and the deathknight can pull them off to open field so the hunter can destroy them ^^

But i dont know how good 2 dps teams like thiss will be, cos i imagine that everyone will roll holy paladin.

 

Zyna, what is your concern with Holy Paladin stopping this group?   Hand of Protection, Hand of Freedom, that sort of thing, to keep the burn target up long enough to survive the double burst?

 

Briyan day!

 

Double Dps, ret pala + dk. Deathknight compensates the paladins lack of mobility and snares. Just my 2 cents.

 

Hey, your 2 cents is exactly what I wanted

You think ret will still be tops after the inevitable kneejerk nerfs?

 

Yes, I mean we don't get new ranks of spells, but that's just the nature of the class. Damage is still going to be high and I expect DS to be changed to holy damage aswell. We've got CMs that actually care and listen(GC). Listening to all those retards who whine about going oom is bull****, I go eventually oom when using JoL + SoC, but JoL + SoW is a nonstop 100% mana in a few seconds(not even using JoW). Damage will eventually even out I suppose. The only real problems are mana drains.

It won't be the top for sure, but it won't be underrepresented for 3 whole years, just like it was in TBC. I guess it's going to be the new SP+Rogue combo.

 

Listening to all those retards who whine about going oom is bull****, I go eventually oom when using JoL + SoC, but JoL + SoW is a nonstop 100% mana in a few seconds(not even using JoW).
You know the SoW/JoW nerfs haven't hit live yet, right? And if you're not going oom in PVP I'd love to know your rotation, because if you're laying down the dps you're going oom. And if you're not going all out the damage is pretty laughable (and the damage nerfs haven't even hit yet).

I voted DK/mage, I don't really see anything that can handle frost right now.

 

And your mana pool is twice the size at 70 (relative to 80).

 

With percentage-based replenishment spells and non-percentage-based drain amounts, a double-sized mana pool should go a long way.   Although, I did see a blue post today or yesterday about potentially adjusting mana drains to work on percentage basis....

 

And don't forget the nerfs aren't done.  Wings now causes forebearance again but it's twice as bad as it was in TBC.  So burst damage is now worse than it was when lolret was below hunters.

And still no nerfs to DK's... man, they're making this a tough decision!

 

Wow, Wings too? This is getting ******* ridiculous. It wouldn't bother me as much, except noone is actually playing on Beta anymore so they're nerfing ENTIRELY based on 70 BGs.

All they need to do is make Avenging Wrath put a 20 second CD on DS and DS put a 12 second cooldown on AW. If it puts up Forbearance you just can't use it ability at all.

It just pisses me off they aren't even pretending to nerf based on beta anymore. Thank god I'm rerolling DK.

 

It just pisses me off they aren't even pretending to nerf based on beta anymore.
Did you catch JoJ now has a duration of 10 secs now too? ROFL.  Judgment cd 8 sec, JoJ = 10 sec. Better hope you land it.   There was one other nerf this week that I'm forgetting.

Thank god I'm rerolling DK.
I finished all the starter quests today, played as blood (better self healing than paladin) and unholy (felt like Lucifer himself).  Unholy DK -- even at L58 -- is more fun than anything I've done in 4 years of WoW.  I can't wait to PVP on this bad boy.

I think the best part is the pet has a better stun than the felguard (20 sec cd). Heh.