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Now, however, our Blizzard overlords have let their guard down. Take a look at this quote below, the source of which can be found here:
"We often owe it to the community to take the easy way out, because that means faster changes and fewer bugs. But it isn't always the right decision. Elemental dps is low, and instead of nerfing everyone else we buffed Elemental, because that was a lot easier to do. We have a lot we want to do with the game. We are nearly always going to opt for easy solutions unless the outcome is a lot worse."
Laugh my ass off! I love the way GC tries to make it seem as if they're doing a favour for the community by not making drastic refinements. And it's so you can make 'fast changes' eh GC? Bull****!
I'm surprised no-one else has picked up on this considering how well it exposes developer mentality. Do they not realise that when it comes to arena we've been crying out for big changes for years? Do they not realise we're tired of small modifications and incoherent alterations? Do they not realise easy solutions have not and never will fix pvp?
Of course we all know what the easiest solution to any problem is don't we? Do nothing! Druids are ridiculously good in TBC? Do nothing! Access to PvE gear gives some players too big of an advantage? Do nothing! RNG decides outcomes in arena? Do nothing! Damage is out of control? ...Well you get the idea by now.
"We are nearly always going to opt for easy solutions..." Why am I not surprised...
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Arterian Jan 4, 2009 at 2:14 pm
+7 votes
Just look at the issue of reflective shield. It's currently bugged so the damage dealing only works on shields applied to the Priest, so instead of fixing it, Blizzard is adjusting the tooltip to convey that it is working as intended.
Also, you have to give Ghostcrawler the benefit of the doubt on almost everything he says because he makes such ridiculous and broad statements that are entirely to easy to be taken out of context and blown out of proportion.
Also, you have to give Ghostcrawler the benefit of the doubt on almost everything he says because he makes such ridiculous and broad statements that are entirely to easy to be taken out of context and blown out of proportion.
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Raiken Jan 4, 2009 at 2:26 pm
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Arterian said
Just look at the issue of reflective shield. It's currently bugged so the damage dealing only works on shields applied to the Priest, so instead of fixing it, Blizzard is adjusting the tooltip to convey that it is working as intended.
Also, you have to give Ghostcrawler the benefit of the doubt on almost everything he says because he makes such ridiculous and broad statements that are entirely to easy to be taken out of context and blown out of proportion.
Also, you have to give Ghostcrawler the benefit of the doubt on almost everything he says because he makes such ridiculous and broad statements that are entirely to easy to be taken out of context and blown out of proportion.
Bromsius Jan 4, 2009 at 4:00 pm
+2 votes
Also, you have to give Ghostcrawler the benefit of the doubt on almost everything he says because he makes such ridiculous and broad statements that are entirely to easy to be taken out of context and blown out of proportion.
It seems to me your first paragraph and your second contradict each other. You give the example of reflective shield to show that they DO take the easy way out and then you say "oh but his comment could be taken out of context"!
It seems to me your first paragraph and your second contradict each other. You give the example of reflective shield to show that they DO take the easy way out and then you say "oh but his comment could be taken out of context"!
Arterian Jan 4, 2009 at 4:47 pm
+2 votes
I was thinking more along the lines of "Killing a healer, even in the absence of crowd control, silences or whatever, still needs to be a viable tactic at the end of the day." That can be taken in at least two different ways. He addressed the issue with reflective shield with something like "It's too hard to fix, so we'll leave it the way it is for now." That isn't his exact quote word for word, but it's pretty damn close. You can't interpret that in more than one way, I don't care how creative you are.
oradol Jan 4, 2009 at 3:29 pm
+3 votes
Not to argue semantics, but there is a lot of validity to what you quoted.
Say I want to get from point A to point B. I can build a road towards point C, make an overpass over point D, a tunnel to get to point E, and hop on a plane to point B... or I can just build a road between the two points.
There is a lot of merit to making easy solutions. In your very quote they made the perfect point; either they re-tune the DPS of 9 classes or buff the DPS of one. If they want to change the entire talent tree to make it more viable or simply change a co-efficient what should they do?
I could write a whole blog about this, and I might. But why exactly is the easy solution bad?
Say I want to get from point A to point B. I can build a road towards point C, make an overpass over point D, a tunnel to get to point E, and hop on a plane to point B... or I can just build a road between the two points.
There is a lot of merit to making easy solutions. In your very quote they made the perfect point; either they re-tune the DPS of 9 classes or buff the DPS of one. If they want to change the entire talent tree to make it more viable or simply change a co-efficient what should they do?
I could write a whole blog about this, and I might. But why exactly is the easy solution bad?
jflanden Jan 4, 2009 at 3:52 pm
-3 votes
He's in fourth place right now, he needs something to ***** about if he wants to beat Gib in views.
Bromsius Jan 4, 2009 at 4:12 pm
+2 votes
Not to argue semantics, but there is a lot of validity to what you quoted.
Yes I'll agree that in certain circumstances it is common sense to take the easier option. But when it comes to class balance and arena that needs a drastic overhaul, simple solutions simply haven't worked and here GC is basically admitting that they won't make big changes because they want to be "fair" to the community.
That whole "fairness" thing is why they basically allowed druids to dominate arena during TBC. They didn't want to affect druids' raid viability. Rather than making a big change they took the easier option and didn't do anything!
Yes I'll agree that in certain circumstances it is common sense to take the easier option. But when it comes to class balance and arena that needs a drastic overhaul, simple solutions simply haven't worked and here GC is basically admitting that they won't make big changes because they want to be "fair" to the community.
That whole "fairness" thing is why they basically allowed druids to dominate arena during TBC. They didn't want to affect druids' raid viability. Rather than making a big change they took the easier option and didn't do anything!
Madagascar Jan 4, 2009 at 5:25 pm
+2 votes
yea they didnt do anything to resto druids(besides natural perfection)
they made life hell for balance ferals, reducing range on cyclone and almost made a huntercoil, nope didnt do anything at all.
they made life hell for balance ferals, reducing range on cyclone and almost made a huntercoil, nope didnt do anything at all.
oradol Jan 4, 2009 at 6:30 pm
+2 votes
Yes I'll agree that in certain circumstances it is common sense to take the easier option. But when it comes to class balance and arena that needs a drastic overhaul, simple solutions simply haven't worked and here GC is basically admitting that they won't make big changes because they want to be "fair" to the community.
That whole "fairness" thing is why they basically allowed druids to dominate arena during TBC. They didn't want to affect druids' raid viability. Rather than making a big change they took the easier option and didn't do anything!
Don't underestimate the impact though of an easy/simple change. Even a reasonably simple change to Resilience values would have drastic effects, as would a change to the Armor granted by Fel Armor (for buffing Warlocks).
Easy and complicated do not necessarily equate to ineffective and effective. Keeping things simple makes it a lot easier to balance in the future.
That whole "fairness" thing is why they basically allowed druids to dominate arena during TBC. They didn't want to affect druids' raid viability. Rather than making a big change they took the easier option and didn't do anything!
Don't underestimate the impact though of an easy/simple change. Even a reasonably simple change to Resilience values would have drastic effects, as would a change to the Armor granted by Fel Armor (for buffing Warlocks).
Easy and complicated do not necessarily equate to ineffective and effective. Keeping things simple makes it a lot easier to balance in the future.
ARCTURAS Jan 4, 2009 at 7:31 pm
+1 votes
^ exactly. Unnecessary complexity is not preferable. Besides, changing 8 classes instead of 1 is simply impractical. If 8 are balanced to the taste of 1, then that might throw off the balance of another two or three compared to the rest. In addition to that, there is a greater chance of something going wrong with 8 changes instead of 1.
There is a lot of elegance missed in simplicity.
There is a lot of elegance missed in simplicity.
Bromsius Jan 5, 2009 at 5:47 am
+1 votes
Easy and complicated do not necessarily equate to ineffective and effective. Keeping things simple makes it a lot easier to balance in the future.
Like you said we could get into a silly argument here over exactly what constitutes a "small" change and a "big" change. I do agree that there are a number of simple modifications they COULD make which would help balance. But of course the easiest solution is to not do anything and Blizzard have shown that this is their preferred option time and time again.
Like you said we could get into a silly argument here over exactly what constitutes a "small" change and a "big" change. I do agree that there are a number of simple modifications they COULD make which would help balance. But of course the easiest solution is to not do anything and Blizzard have shown that this is their preferred option time and time again.
Brilliance Jan 4, 2009 at 7:26 pm
+1 votes
I think what really bothers me the most is something that has no real substance (but still irks me) is the way they start every conversation with the lame "We totally get" line. It's like a fake smile.
AND THAT PISSES ME OFF!!11
AND THAT PISSES ME OFF!!11
Bromsius Jan 5, 2009 at 5:48 am
+1 votes
Brilliance said
I think what really bothers me the most is something that has no real substance (but still irks me) is the way they start every conversation with the lame "We totally get" line. It's like a fake smile.
AND THAT PISSES ME OFF!!11
AND THAT PISSES ME OFF!!11
Lesane Jan 4, 2009 at 8:06 pm
+1 votes
While it's obvious that Blizzard is being far too passive on what's happening in the game right now (especially considering half of the **** had been obvious since beta), you can't really blame anyone for taking the easy way out. You should've bolded the entire sentence, they're not going to make easy changes if it's ten times ****tier than a drastic change but if there's only a slight difference it would be far better to do a fast and easy fix on something so they can move on to the 99 other problems they have instead of focusing entirely on making a 100% perfect solution for one problem while ignoring the rest.
And yeah Ghostcrawler is starting to piss me off. He's the biggest tease, you see him posting in dozens of discussion threads and voicing his opinion and often agreeing to certain posts in the thread but then nothing happens. At least back in the days where you would just never see a blue post other than Kalgan claiming how he was gonna swing his S3 weapon on the first day of the season you wouldn't get any false hopes. Not to mention how certain statements by him just make you facepalm irl, the one about how zerging targets in PVP should be a viable strategy at the end of the day or the one where he claimed hunter PVE abilities to be complex (spamming steady shot while keeping up serpent sting is srs business).
And yeah Ghostcrawler is starting to piss me off. He's the biggest tease, you see him posting in dozens of discussion threads and voicing his opinion and often agreeing to certain posts in the thread but then nothing happens. At least back in the days where you would just never see a blue post other than Kalgan claiming how he was gonna swing his S3 weapon on the first day of the season you wouldn't get any false hopes. Not to mention how certain statements by him just make you facepalm irl, the one about how zerging targets in PVP should be a viable strategy at the end of the day or the one where he claimed hunter PVE abilities to be complex (spamming steady shot while keeping up serpent sting is srs business).
Bromsius Jan 5, 2009 at 5:51 am
+1 votes
You should've bolded the entire sentence, they're not going to make easy changes if it's ten times ****tier than a drastic change
I dunno about you but I'd actually be happy with some drastic changes right now. Arena has got so old and tired I would have thought WotLK would have given them a good opportunity to try something new. Oh well...
I dunno about you but I'd actually be happy with some drastic changes right now. Arena has got so old and tired I would have thought WotLK would have given them a good opportunity to try something new. Oh well...
Kheta Jan 4, 2009 at 8:45 pm
+1 votes
Everything that blizzard said about WoW's PvP has been bull**** since vanilla.
How many times did they told us that they'll improve PvP content ?
They said that they will work on the esport side of arenas, bull****.
Then, they said that they will focus more on BGs, bull****.
They also said that they won't make the same mistakes than during TBC towards outdoor PvP, when I see wintergrasp, there's only one word coming to my mind : bull****.
They simply don't care about PvP. If they would, arenas wouldn't be this mess, BG wouldn't still be some boring grinding maps and wintergrasp would be interesting without having to give free epic gear on some random mob.
We'll just have to wait that some devs get the idea that creating an online PvP game focused on competitive gaming + REAL gameplay (not garbage like AoC / WAR / whatever) + some fun PvP/PvE content for casuals, could be a ****in great idea.
How many times did they told us that they'll improve PvP content ?
They said that they will work on the esport side of arenas, bull****.
Then, they said that they will focus more on BGs, bull****.
They also said that they won't make the same mistakes than during TBC towards outdoor PvP, when I see wintergrasp, there's only one word coming to my mind : bull****.
They simply don't care about PvP. If they would, arenas wouldn't be this mess, BG wouldn't still be some boring grinding maps and wintergrasp would be interesting without having to give free epic gear on some random mob.
We'll just have to wait that some devs get the idea that creating an online PvP game focused on competitive gaming + REAL gameplay (not garbage like AoC / WAR / whatever) + some fun PvP/PvE content for casuals, could be a ****in great idea.
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