Will we see the Death of Guild-Centred Raiding in WotLK?

lol 90% of comments so far are:
"you cant pug maly"
"my server has pugged maly"
"sarth drakes dont affect loot"
"yes it does"

 

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=13908770558&pageNo=1&sid=1#8

"There will also be a whole lot of "hard modes" and achievements to test. We're shooting for most all of the encounters to have "hard modes" that allow raids to increase the challenge and reward level if they're up to it. We're pretty pleased with how Sartharion and his drakes worked, and we're going to expand on that idea extensively in Ulduar and future raids."

 

Nothing to ***** about now unless it's about how buggy gameriot commenting is.

The future of raiding will be fine and plenty challenging, it just won't completely force progression ****-blocks on the non-hardcore guilds.

 

This has always seemed to me to be the obvious solution. There is no reason that non-hardcore players shouldn't get to see 80% of raid content; and there is also no reason that hardcore players shouldn't have challenges available to them (especially with an increased reward).

 

Dunno why people love to use the terms "hardcore" and "casual" when most of the people who would be effected by this content being hard still raid 3-4 days a week.  Try "subpar" instead of casual imo

 

Yeah tbh the guilds that are going to have recruiting troubles most & possible die due to not having people to raid are the guilds that are like, ranked 4-5th on their servers. "Hardcore" guilds will always have their player base and recruitment base to pool from because they are the "best" on their server

 

Patches in WoW usually last anywhere from 3 to 6 months. There's plenty of time even for scrub guilds to clear the dungeon released in a patch before the next one arrives. The problem is that a lot of players feel pressured by the fact that hardcore guild X already cleared the place and thus every week they don't kill the next boss, they fall behind in loot and items which is something a lot of people can't stand apparently. That is when the nerf encounter Y whines come in, people don't like falling behind even though it's all fair and square.

Black Temple was around for almost a year before Sunwell came into the picture, you didn't even have to kill 1 new boss every month in order to stay on schedule... and that's not counting the fact that the first half of the instance can be face rolled through in your first week there leaving you with only 4-5 "real" bosses.

While I'm all for allowing everyone to take part in the storyline of the expansion/game, they shouldn't nerf everything down to mentally handicapped levels... it only devalues that one moment where you finally take down major lore character Z. On top of that, Blizzard wants more $$$ so the majority of storylines are now found in dumb ass comics and books rather than the actual game. It's not like you miss anything if you aren't able to kill like Sartharion (just using him as example, if you can't kill him you fail)... I bet 95% of the WoW community doesn't even know why the **** we're killing him in the first place (neither did I until I read some article on wowinsider). Same thing with the son of Mograine suddenly popping up out of nowhere as the new scourge DK leader while wielding the Ashbringer... when the **** did that happen, oh right in the comic that maybe 0.5% of the community reads.

 

We're shooting for most all of the encounters to have "hard modes" that allow raids to increase the challenge and reward level if they're up to it.

But this still means that downing the boss will probably be possible for pugs and only guilds would be able to complete those "hardcore achievements". Therefore, the puggers are still getting their epics whilst all the guilds are getting are a few extra bits of loot and some gimmicky item. To me this threatens guilds future more than it secures it.

 

One of the main reasons to be in a guild is to avoid dealing with idiots.

Also, pugs are fine at starting content. Once gear from previous tiers is required, it suddenly becomes less pug friendly.
And btw, a group of people from top guilds that aren't saved and decide to go for a clear is not exactly what you call a pug.

 

-Hardcore guilds only want to feel accomplished and have something to brag about.

-Blizzard wants MOST of their playerbase to actually see the content that Blizzard spends a lot of money and time creating instead of only a small percentage.

-Non-Hardcore guilds only want to be able to see the content and not have to be on the best guild on their server to do it.

If Blizzard does what they are saying, making almost EVERY boss have a hard-mode version with better loot, Hardcore guilds will have a lot more than just a "gimmicky item", more like, overall, have much better gear by having multiple pieces of gear/weapons that non-hardcore guilds aren't able to obtain. If you don't think that better loot isn't good enough because non-hardcore guilds still see the content, why do you think people do 25mans over the 10mans? It's the same content, just better loot.

-Hardcore guilds will be happy because they will have exclusive loot/titles and plenty to brag about.

-Blizzard will be happy because most people playing the game will actually get to see the content that they put hard work into.

-Non-Hardcore guilds will be happy because they are able to actually see all the content when they aren't in a top guild.

Looks like a Win/Win/Win to me as long as there is still incentive to want to be a top WoW guild without feeling like you NEED to be in one.

Raiding's future, right now, looks like it is definitely on the right track, but if I had one main complaint about Blizzard, it would be that they don't have Guild Rankings for Raiding on the Armory.

 

you're a ******* retard Bromsius. there will always be guilds you dumb ****