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Gay marriage was denied once again, this time in Maine. It has been defeated 31 times in 31 states every time it has been put up for a popular vote. Seems maybe the country is more conservative then they like to admit? Interestingly there was a proposal here in a near bye city that passed banning bars from discriminating based on sexual orientation. I don't get down that way often but I guess I didn't realize it was that big of an issue in the college town of Western Michigan University.
I kind of laughed with Vir yesterday about "V" being kind of a tongue-in-cheek look at our current political climate. Interestingly enough someone took the time to write about it and addressed some of those same aspects. I don't see this as being some form of propaganda or anything though much of it is probably coincidence. It was a good watch however and the top rated show of the fall with a 5.2.
 |  I don't know what Miss Bilson is doing here but I like it. More at Hollywood Tuna |
A Carrie Prejean sex tape where she is "alone" in the video? The male in me says I am definitely interested. Rumors are swirling that such a thing exists and hence the reasoning behind her recent settlement of a lawsuit against the pageant. /b/ I am counting on you guys...
The MPAA wants a three strikes rule instated here in the states for pirating movies and Comcast is working on a new "throttling plan". Everyone wants to make it hard to be a pirate now days. If you use "more than 70 per cent of your maximum downstream or upstream bandwidth for more than 15 minutes" the first trigger to throttle your account will be triggered. Really now? Does that mean my cost of internet is going to drop 30% in return? I can't believe they are selling you a pipe that you can only use 70% of for less than 15 minutes.
Kick-Ass, the little-indy-movie-that-could is giving off an early vibe that is very impressive. A test screening review is up over at AICN and apparently "it is ******* awesome!!!" I am glad Lionsgate picked this up as big distributor is pretty much the only way to go now days unless you pull off a miracle like Paranormal Activity.
60+ times they told this guy to get back in the car. I kind of see it being his own fault though they did pull a gun on him which probably scared him ****less. He was found not guilty of resisting arrest however so I am curious to see how the Federal lawsuit goes. Story here
This one is short and sweet. This guy was surely out of control, glad they put him down...
And the poll is closed for November's Friday girl and Keeley has won, 200 votes to Alba's 180. Good thing too, I was almost just going to pick Keeley for December.
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Vir Nov 5, 2009 at 9:33 am
+0 votes
From the article on V:
Anna soothes skeptics by declaring that accepting change can be
difficult. A small band of human resistors forms. The lead character is
skeptical--what proof do you have she asks, besides some scary thing
“you read on the internet.” But the seemingly hysterical message from
the internet is true! The charismatic new leader is masking her true identity! The death panels are real! Etc., etc.
This is not just a right-wing worldview but the worldview of the
paranoid Tea Party movement. I’m really not sure how this made it onto
network television. Maybe the calculation is that Glenn Beck will start
urging his viewers to watch and a ratings bonanza will ensue. masking her true identity! The charismatic new leader is masking her true identity!The death panels are real
I thought this was a clear play on Obama's citizenship. Although, I suppose the alien's evetual plan to kill everyone are equivalent to socialist death panels.
I find it amusing that RINO's and leftists complain about political messages in one television show while going out of their way to slam Glen Beck and Sarah Palin regardless of topic.
Anna soothes skeptics by declaring that accepting change can be
difficult. A small band of human resistors forms. The lead character is
skeptical--what proof do you have she asks, besides some scary thing
“you read on the internet.” But the seemingly hysterical message from
the internet is true! The charismatic new leader is masking her true identity! The death panels are real! Etc., etc.
This is not just a right-wing worldview but the worldview of the
paranoid Tea Party movement. I’m really not sure how this made it onto
network television. Maybe the calculation is that Glenn Beck will start
urging his viewers to watch and a ratings bonanza will ensue. masking her true identity! The charismatic new leader is masking her true identity!The death panels are real
I thought this was a clear play on Obama's citizenship. Although, I suppose the alien's evetual plan to kill everyone are equivalent to socialist death panels.
I find it amusing that RINO's and leftists complain about political messages in one television show while going out of their way to slam Glen Beck and Sarah Palin regardless of topic.
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rakka Nov 5, 2009 at 9:55 am
+6 votes
TURN AROUND!
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Vir Nov 5, 2009 at 10:03 am
+5 votes
(Turnaround)
Every now and then
I get a little bit lonely
and you're never coming around
(Turnaround)
Every now and then
I get a little bit tired
of listening to the sound of my tears
(Turnaround)
Every now and then
I get a little bit nervous
that the best of all the years have gone by
(Turnaround)
Every now and then
I get a little bit terrified
and then I see the look in your eyes
(Turnaround bright eyes)
Every now and then I fall apart
(Turnaround bright eyes)
Every now and then I fall apart
Every now and then
I get a little bit lonely
and you're never coming around
(Turnaround)
Every now and then
I get a little bit tired
of listening to the sound of my tears
(Turnaround)
Every now and then
I get a little bit nervous
that the best of all the years have gone by
(Turnaround)
Every now and then
I get a little bit terrified
and then I see the look in your eyes
(Turnaround bright eyes)
Every now and then I fall apart
(Turnaround bright eyes)
Every now and then I fall apart
oradol Nov 5, 2009 at 10:24 am
+3 votes
Rachel Bilson is my favourite. Even more than Fox. Can she be on the ballot for the next Friday girl (after this one)?!?!
Duncan Nov 5, 2009 at 11:11 am
-1 votes
So uhm.. if one guy wants to put his p3n1s in to another man anus.. and the other one likes it.. why do they have to be married to do that? Street alley is not enough for them?
I could write pages on how stupid concept of gay marriage and especially gay adoption is but I will save that when I will be writing a book :P. Also I would like to note that I have nothing against gay people.. .. or people with down syndrome.. or any other dissablity.. .. . ;>
I could write pages on how stupid concept of gay marriage and especially gay adoption is but I will save that when I will be writing a book :P. Also I would like to note that I have nothing against gay people.. .. or people with down syndrome.. or any other dissablity.. .. . ;>
Xaeranth Nov 5, 2009 at 12:11 pm
+3 votes
Duncan said
So uhm.. if one guy wants to put his p3n1s in to another man anus.. and the other one likes it.. why do they have to be married to do that? Street alley is not enough for them?
I could write pages on how stupid concept of gay marriage and especially gay adoption is but I will save that when I will be writing a book :P. Also I would like to note that I have nothing against gay people.. .. or people with down syndrome.. or any other dissablity.. .. . ;>
I could write pages on how stupid concept of gay marriage and especially gay adoption is but I will save that when I will be writing a book :P. Also I would like to note that I have nothing against gay people.. .. or people with down syndrome.. or any other dissablity.. .. . ;>
You are a ******* retard.
Let them live their lives, life is too short for some ignorant redneck bigot like you to be telling them how to live it.
Ohflip Nov 5, 2009 at 3:48 pm
+2 votes
Xaeranth said
"Hey if guys wanna **** each other in the ass all day long they should confine it to a backalley like the trash they are, and I think it's stupid that two people who love and are committed to each other can't legally get married because they are a couple of queers...but hey, I got nothing against them"
You are a ******* retard.
Let them live their lives, life is too short for some ignorant redneck bigot like you to be telling them how to live it.
You are a ******* retard.
Let them live their lives, life is too short for some ignorant redneck bigot like you to be telling them how to live it.
Yea, because there aren't any legal rights that people gain when they get married. Man, the ignorance bleeding from duncans post is insane...
Phyzik Nov 5, 2009 at 12:11 pm
+1 votes
Duncan said
So uhm.. if one guy wants to put his p3n1s in to another man anus.. and the other one likes it.. why do they have to be married to do that? Street alley is not enough for them?
I could write pages on how stupid concept of gay marriage and especially gay adoption is but I will save that when I will be writing a book :P. Also I would like to note that I have nothing against gay people.. .. or people with down syndrome.. or any other dissablity.. .. . ;>
I could write pages on how stupid concept of gay marriage and especially gay adoption is but I will save that when I will be writing a book :P. Also I would like to note that I have nothing against gay people.. .. or people with down syndrome.. or any other dissablity.. .. . ;>
Xaeranth Nov 5, 2009 at 12:05 pm
+4 votes
HAHAH! That first video was ******* amazing.
Mr. Tough Guy screaming like a ******* ***** after getting tazed made my day.
Mr. Tough Guy screaming like a ******* ***** after getting tazed made my day.
Sleek Nov 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm
-1 votes
Xaeranth said
HAHAH! That first video was ******* amazing.
Mr. Tough Guy screaming like a ******* ***** after getting tazed made my day.
Mr. Tough Guy screaming like a ******* ***** after getting tazed made my day.
How easy is it to just comply? Too easy; that's how **** like the holocaust happens. YOU are part of the checks & balances of our system and my kids will pay for your cowardice. So **** you.
Xaeranth Nov 5, 2009 at 1:10 pm
+3 votes
Sleek said
Mr. Tough Guy was just demanding a very basic level of human respect. "Because I said so" is only enough to put a coward on his knees and a police costume doesn't change that.
How easy is it to just comply? Too easy; that's how **** like the holocaust happens. YOU are part of the checks & balances of our system and my kids will pay for your cowardice. So **** you.
How easy is it to just comply? Too easy; that's how **** like the holocaust happens. YOU are part of the checks & balances of our system and my kids will pay for your cowardice. So **** you.
The guy was obviously pulled over for a reason; a reason that would have been clearly explained to him if he hadn't had such a tough guy act and had just gotten back in his car when he was asked to right in the beginning.
The fact that you compare a police officer simply asking someone whom they have pulled over to stay in their car to the Holocaust leads me to believe that you are a complete ******* retard and will most likely end up ******* up your kids beyond all belief.
I hope their other parent has more brains than you.
rakka Nov 5, 2009 at 1:18 pm
+3 votes
Xaeranth said
Complying with a law enforcement officer is not "cowardice".
The guy was obviously pulled over for a reason; a reason that would have been clearly explained to him if he hadn't had such a tough guy act and had just gotten back in his car when he was asked to right in the beginning.
The fact that you compare a police officer simply asking someone whom they have pulled over to stay in their car to the Holocaust leads me to believe that you are a complete ******* retard and will most likely end up ******* up your kids beyond all belief.
I hope their other parent has more brains than you.
The guy was obviously pulled over for a reason; a reason that would have been clearly explained to him if he hadn't had such a tough guy act and had just gotten back in his car when he was asked to right in the beginning.
The fact that you compare a police officer simply asking someone whom they have pulled over to stay in their car to the Holocaust leads me to believe that you are a complete ******* retard and will most likely end up ******* up your kids beyond all belief.
I hope their other parent has more brains than you.
Nobahd Nov 5, 2009 at 1:18 pm
+3 votes
He was pulled over for a crooked front license plate! Get out the TASER
rakka Nov 5, 2009 at 1:21 pm
+1 votes
He got tasered for refusing to follow simple commands like 100 times. Why would you get out of your car in a traffic stop and buck up against a police officer?
Sleek Nov 5, 2009 at 4:47 pm
-2 votes
Xaeranth said
Complying with a law enforcement officer is not "cowardice".
The guy was obviously pulled over for a reason; a reason that would have been clearly explained to him if he hadn't had such a tough guy act and had just gotten back in his car when he was asked to right in the beginning.
The fact that you compare a police officer simply asking someone whom they have pulled over to stay in their car to the Holocaust leads me to believe that you are a complete ******* retard and will most likely end up ******* up your kids beyond all belief.
I hope their other parent has more brains than you.
The guy was obviously pulled over for a reason; a reason that would have been clearly explained to him if he hadn't had such a tough guy act and had just gotten back in his car when he was asked to right in the beginning.
The fact that you compare a police officer simply asking someone whom they have pulled over to stay in their car to the Holocaust leads me to believe that you are a complete ******* retard and will most likely end up ******* up your kids beyond all belief.
I hope their other parent has more brains than you.
No, the guy was not obviously pulled over for a reason. That's what caused the problem, it wasn't obvious at all. The man wanted to know what he did to get pulled over as he was following the laws of the land, not bothering anybody, and going home. Why do you think the cop went robot mode instead of just answering the question? I'll tell you why: because it's hard to bring yourself to actually articulate "Because your license plate was crooked!!!" while you are pointing a gun at someone and screaming. Another likely scenario is that the cop pulled him over randomly based on nothing other than the hour of the day and couldn't think of a real reason when asked. Either way, if people are so ******* dangerous, how about we don't bother them unless they are causing some kind of problem? Is that too much to ask? Not for a free person it isn't.
The fact that you took what I said as a comparison between the "holocaust and a simple request to stay in the car" leads me to believe you are a complete ******* retard who has no business discussing this.
Xaeranth Nov 5, 2009 at 5:36 pm
+4 votes
Sleek said
Complying just because it's the easiest way out is cowardice. You have a duty not to comply when they make unreasonable requests.
No, the guy was not obviously pulled over for a reason. That's what caused the problem, it wasn't obvious at all. The man wanted to know what he did to get pulled over as he was following the laws of the land, not bothering anybody, and going home. Why do you think the cop went robot mode instead of just answering the question? I'll tell you why: because it's hard to bring yourself to actually articulate "Because your license plate was crooked!!!" while you are pointing a gun at someone and screaming. Another likely scenario is that the cop pulled him over randomly based on nothing other than the hour of the day and couldn't think of a real reason when asked. Either way, if people are so ******* dangerous, how about we don't bother them unless they are causing some kind of problem? Is that too much to ask? Not for a free person it isn't.
The fact that you took what I said as a comparison between the "holocaust and a simple request to stay in the car" leads me to believe you are a complete ******* retard who has no business discussing this.
No, the guy was not obviously pulled over for a reason. That's what caused the problem, it wasn't obvious at all. The man wanted to know what he did to get pulled over as he was following the laws of the land, not bothering anybody, and going home. Why do you think the cop went robot mode instead of just answering the question? I'll tell you why: because it's hard to bring yourself to actually articulate "Because your license plate was crooked!!!" while you are pointing a gun at someone and screaming. Another likely scenario is that the cop pulled him over randomly based on nothing other than the hour of the day and couldn't think of a real reason when asked. Either way, if people are so ******* dangerous, how about we don't bother them unless they are causing some kind of problem? Is that too much to ask? Not for a free person it isn't.
The fact that you took what I said as a comparison between the "holocaust and a simple request to stay in the car" leads me to believe you are a complete ******* retard who has no business discussing this.
But answer me this: how was it unreasonable that the cop requested that the guy get back in the car the very first time?
Sleek Nov 5, 2009 at 6:11 pm
+0 votes
Xaeranth said
I know, I know, you are probably some 17 year old kid and are all anti-establishment and badass, I get it, I really do - we've all been there.
But answer me this: how was it unreasonable that the cop requested that the guy get back in the car the very first time?
But answer me this: how was it unreasonable that the cop requested that the guy get back in the car the very first time?
But answer me this: how was it unreasonable that the cop requested that the guy get back in the car the very first time?
Actually I'm just a man who took to heart all the freedom **** I was fed growing up in this country. I really am sorry that I'm in the minority on that.
And that request wasn't unreasonable at all; I never said it was. But someone not following a reasonable request doesn't have to escalate to a deadly standoff, and when it does it's the "trained professional's" fault. Regardless of anything else, when a law abiding citizen asks a cop why he's being stopped, the cop needs to tell him. This absolutely needs to be the case to prevent abuse and undue stress.
Context, mother******. He was pulled over for a crooked license plate, there's no reason to treat the guy like that. Police work is supposed to be a relatively dangerous job, they are supposed to protect and serve us and absorb the risk that some of us are nutcases. That's not what they do though, they have shifted all that danger onto normal citizens by this "take no chances" attitude.
It's just sickening how some of you think regarding this stuff. You deserve your taserings, but I won't tolerate it. I was born free (well I thought that) and I'm going to live my life that way. I cause harm to no one and if someone is going to put me on my knees, they'll have a good reason or a good fight. Don't care what job you chose out of highschool. If that makes me a badass then I genuinely am one, but I think it's just that you're a bit of a coward.
Xaeranth Nov 5, 2009 at 6:23 pm
+2 votes
Sleek said
I know, I know, you are probably some 17 year old kid and are all anti-establishment and badass, I get it, I really do - we've all been there.
But answer me this: how was it unreasonable that the cop requested that the guy get back in the car the very first time?
Actually I'm just a man who took to heart all the freedom **** I was fed growing up in this country. I really am sorry that I'm in the minority on that.
And that request wasn't unreasonable at all; I never said it was. But someone not following a reasonable request doesn't have to escalate to a deadly standoff, and when it does it's the "trained professional's" fault. Regardless of anything else, when a law abiding citizen asks a cop why he's being stopped, the cop needs to tell him. This absolutely needs to be the case to prevent abuse and undue stress.
Context, mother******. He was pulled over for a crooked license plate, there's no reason to treat the guy like that. Police work is supposed to be a relatively dangerous job, they are supposed to protect and serve us and absorb the risk that some of us are nutcases. That's not what they do though, they have shifted all that danger onto normal citizens by this "take no chances" attitude.
It's just sickening how some of you think regarding this stuff. You deserve your taserings, but I won't tolerate it. I was born free (well I thought that) and I'm going to live my life that way. I cause harm to no one and if someone is going to put me on my knees, they'll have a good reason or a good fight. Don't care what job you chose out of highschool. If that makes me a badass then I genuinely am one, but I think it's just that you're a bit of a coward.
But answer me this: how was it unreasonable that the cop requested that the guy get back in the car the very first time?
Actually I'm just a man who took to heart all the freedom **** I was fed growing up in this country. I really am sorry that I'm in the minority on that.
And that request wasn't unreasonable at all; I never said it was. But someone not following a reasonable request doesn't have to escalate to a deadly standoff, and when it does it's the "trained professional's" fault. Regardless of anything else, when a law abiding citizen asks a cop why he's being stopped, the cop needs to tell him. This absolutely needs to be the case to prevent abuse and undue stress.
Context, mother******. He was pulled over for a crooked license plate, there's no reason to treat the guy like that. Police work is supposed to be a relatively dangerous job, they are supposed to protect and serve us and absorb the risk that some of us are nutcases. That's not what they do though, they have shifted all that danger onto normal citizens by this "take no chances" attitude.
It's just sickening how some of you think regarding this stuff. You deserve your taserings, but I won't tolerate it. I was born free (well I thought that) and I'm going to live my life that way. I cause harm to no one and if someone is going to put me on my knees, they'll have a good reason or a good fight. Don't care what job you chose out of highschool. If that makes me a badass then I genuinely am one, but I think it's just that you're a bit of a coward.
What if the cop decided to not make him get back in the car to have the chat and then he pulled out a weapon? Then the context would be "well, the cop got what he deserved because he wasn't following procedure by having the guy get back in the car".
What if there was someone was in the backseat of his car with a gun? What if there was a body in the car What if...what if...what if?
I've spent 4 years carrying a gun in the gulf and I know that you keep yourself alive by ALWAYS assuming that the other guy is out to get you. That doesn't mean that you treat people like they are guilty, but the drivers attitude in this video is so far from "normal" that it sets off a warning.
The first answer to "why is this guy resisting my order" isn't "well, he is exercising his freedoms as an American", it's more along the lines of "something is very wrong here", because it HAS to be.
And if you think that "absorbing risk" means that cops are allowed to get shot/stabbed/killed because they don't want to deal with people under the pretense of caution then you are ****** in the head.
I'm sure you'd be real happy when someone you know or love takes a ******* bullet in the head because they chose not to make the guy get back in the car.
Sleek Nov 5, 2009 at 6:36 pm
+0 votes
Xaeranth said
It's easy to sit there and cite context in hindsight.
What if the cop decided to not make him get back in the car to have the chat and then he pulled out a weapon? Then the context would be "well, the cop got what he deserved because he wasn't following procedure by having the guy get back in the car".
What if there was someone was in the backseat of his car with a gun? What if there was a body in the car What if...what if...what if?
I've spent 4 years carrying a gun in the gulf and I know that you keep yourself alive by ALWAYS assuming that the other guy is out to get you. That doesn't mean that you treat people like they are guilty, but the drivers attitude in this video is so far from "normal" that it sets off a warning.
The first answer to "why is this guy resisting my order" isn't "well, he is exercising his freedoms as an American", it's more along the lines of "something is very wrong here", because it HAS to be.
And if you think that "absorbing risk" means that cops are allowed to get shot/stabbed/killed because they don't want to deal with people under the pretense of caution then you are ****** in the head.
I'm sure you'd be real happy when someone you know or love takes a ******* bullet in the head because they chose not to make the guy get back in the car.
What if the cop decided to not make him get back in the car to have the chat and then he pulled out a weapon? Then the context would be "well, the cop got what he deserved because he wasn't following procedure by having the guy get back in the car".
What if there was someone was in the backseat of his car with a gun? What if there was a body in the car What if...what if...what if?
I've spent 4 years carrying a gun in the gulf and I know that you keep yourself alive by ALWAYS assuming that the other guy is out to get you. That doesn't mean that you treat people like they are guilty, but the drivers attitude in this video is so far from "normal" that it sets off a warning.
The first answer to "why is this guy resisting my order" isn't "well, he is exercising his freedoms as an American", it's more along the lines of "something is very wrong here", because it HAS to be.
And if you think that "absorbing risk" means that cops are allowed to get shot/stabbed/killed because they don't want to deal with people under the pretense of caution then you are ****** in the head.
I'm sure you'd be real happy when someone you know or love takes a ******* bullet in the head because they chose not to make the guy get back in the car.
If you have a reason to think someone is dangerous, fine. But if you're worried about the .0001% chance they are going to try to kill you for harassing them over a crooked plate, you shouldn't have ******* bothered, end of story. I'd absorb that risk for society if it were set up properly so I don't think it's unreasonable to expect. That's what that job is supposed to be, protect and serve. Not enforce and taze.
I honestly think we have trouble relating to eachother because you are a coward and I am not. If that's not true, then good for you but that's what I think. I don't hate you or anything for it, I have all kinds of friends and family that I disagree with on many things and still love. I think that's something for people to keep in mind. This is just what we happen to be discussing but we probably agree on a bunch of **** and disagree on a bunch of other ****, so let's just move on and let future conversations fill in the blanks rather than me deciding you are 100% coward and you deciding I'm 100% whatever based off one topic.
Xaeranth Nov 5, 2009 at 6:44 pm
+2 votes
You know, I totally see your point now! I wish I had sooner!
It does seem far smarter to waste 5 minutes arguing with the cop, then get tasered and have it plastered all over the internet, then have to go to trial over the whole situation rather than just taking my warning about a crooked license plate and being on my way in 2 minutes.
I'm glad we have had this chat, you have really opened my eyes to the world. No more being a coward for me!
It does seem far smarter to waste 5 minutes arguing with the cop, then get tasered and have it plastered all over the internet, then have to go to trial over the whole situation rather than just taking my warning about a crooked license plate and being on my way in 2 minutes.
I'm glad we have had this chat, you have really opened my eyes to the world. No more being a coward for me!
Sleek Nov 5, 2009 at 6:49 pm
+0 votes
Xaeranth said
You know, I totally see your point now! I wish I had sooner!
It does seem far smarter to waste 5 minutes arguing with the cop, then get tasered and have it plastered all over the internet, then have to go to trial over the whole situation rather than just taking my warning about a crooked license plate and being on my way in 2 minutes.
I'm glad we have had this chat, you have really opened my eyes to the world. No more being a coward for me!
It does seem far smarter to waste 5 minutes arguing with the cop, then get tasered and have it plastered all over the internet, then have to go to trial over the whole situation rather than just taking my warning about a crooked license plate and being on my way in 2 minutes.
I'm glad we have had this chat, you have really opened my eyes to the world. No more being a coward for me!
Xaeranth Nov 5, 2009 at 7:11 pm
+2 votes
Sleek said
It's not better for you, it's better for society and its future... that's the only reason cowardice comes into play. I see you don't get it at all.
It totally makes sense to waste the time of these cops and the court system because I'm such a hardass born free American that I deserve better than to be made to sit in my car and take my warning over a crooked license plate.
I totally am on your side on this one now.
Sleek Nov 5, 2009 at 8:11 pm
+0 votes
Xaeranth said
Bro, I totally agree with you.
It totally makes sense to waste the time of these cops and the court system because I'm such a hardass born free American that I deserve better than to be made to sit in my car and take my warning over a crooked license plate.
I totally am on your side on this one now.
It totally makes sense to waste the time of these cops and the court system because I'm such a hardass born free American that I deserve better than to be made to sit in my car and take my warning over a crooked license plate.
I totally am on your side on this one now.
dcs Nov 5, 2009 at 1:24 pm
+2 votes
Seriously? Go **** yourself. Maybe, if he did what the cop said in the first place (stay in his car) Then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the cop would have told him what it was about, LIKE EVERY OTHER TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
Xaeranth Nov 5, 2009 at 1:26 pm
+4 votes
dcs said
Seriously? Go **** yourself. Maybe, if he did what the cop said in the first place (stay in his car) Then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the cop would have told him what it was about, LIKE EVERY OTHER TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
spiz Nov 5, 2009 at 2:07 pm
+4 votes
dcs said
Seriously? Go **** yourself. Maybe, if he did what the cop said in the first place (stay in his car) Then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the cop would have told him what it was about, LIKE EVERY OTHER TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
Vir Nov 5, 2009 at 2:24 pm
+1 votes
dcs said
Seriously? Go **** yourself. Maybe, if he did what the cop said in the first place (stay in his car) Then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the cop would have told him what it was about, LIKE EVERY OTHER TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
Xaeranth Nov 5, 2009 at 2:43 pm
+2 votes
Vir said
What the guy did was stupid, but police have way too much leeway when it comes to using the taser.
To say "ok kid, you called my bluff", put your weapon away and tell him why you pulled him over? (Which would be completely moronic btw).
Or to just rush him down with 3-4 people WITHOUT the taser? Which, really, is just going to end up where we are now, in the same discussion of "was the kid right or was he wrong", etc.
My only critique on the cops performance was that they should have warned him that if he didn't comply that he would be tasered, because then the choice is on him.
Not calling you out, Vir, but I consider you a decently intelligent individual, what do you suggest should have been done as an alternative to tasering him to disarm the situation?
Vir Nov 5, 2009 at 3:11 pm
+1 votes
Realistically, though, what would your expectation be in this
situation? To stand there for another 5-10 minutes, maybe a half hour
telling the kid to get back in the car, or to turn around?
Ideally, you'd be able to say to the kid, I pulled you over because your license plate isn't attached properly. Please get back into your vehicle while I run your plates.
Of course, I don't know the kid or the situation. He might be a known troublemaker, or maybe its a bad neighborhood. It would be nice if our police officers could be civil towards citizens, and citizens in return could do the same thing.
I understand that culturally things just aren't like that, and police are expected to act like miniature dictators towards people who make minor traffic offenses.
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_T._Francis#Anarcho-tyranny
Or to just rush him down with 3-4 people WITHOUT the taser?
I do think the old nightstick to the gut would have been better in that situation if force were going to be used.
I consider you a decently intelligent
individual,
Haha, thanks I think.
situation? To stand there for another 5-10 minutes, maybe a half hour
telling the kid to get back in the car, or to turn around?
Ideally, you'd be able to say to the kid, I pulled you over because your license plate isn't attached properly. Please get back into your vehicle while I run your plates.
Of course, I don't know the kid or the situation. He might be a known troublemaker, or maybe its a bad neighborhood. It would be nice if our police officers could be civil towards citizens, and citizens in return could do the same thing.
I understand that culturally things just aren't like that, and police are expected to act like miniature dictators towards people who make minor traffic offenses.
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_T._Francis#Anarcho-tyranny
Or to just rush him down with 3-4 people WITHOUT the taser?
I do think the old nightstick to the gut would have been better in that situation if force were going to be used.
I consider you a decently intelligent
individual,
Haha, thanks I think.
Hektik Nov 5, 2009 at 4:18 pm
+3 votes
Vir said
Realistically, though, what would your expectation be in this
situation? To stand there for another 5-10 minutes, maybe a half hour
telling the kid to get back in the car, or to turn around?
Ideally, you'd be able to say to the kid, I pulled you over because your license plate isn't attached properly. Please get back into your vehicle while I run your plates.
Of course, I don't know the kid or the situation. He might be a known troublemaker, or maybe its a bad neighborhood. It would be nice if our police officers could be civil towards citizens, and citizens in return could do the same thing.
I understand that culturally things just aren't like that, and police are expected to act like miniature dictators towards people who make minor traffic offenses.
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_T._Francis#Anarcho-tyranny
Or to just rush him down with 3-4 people WITHOUT the taser?
I do think the old nightstick to the gut would have been better in that situation if force were going to be used.
I consider you a decently intelligent
individual,
Haha, thanks I think.
situation? To stand there for another 5-10 minutes, maybe a half hour
telling the kid to get back in the car, or to turn around?
Ideally, you'd be able to say to the kid, I pulled you over because your license plate isn't attached properly. Please get back into your vehicle while I run your plates.
Of course, I don't know the kid or the situation. He might be a known troublemaker, or maybe its a bad neighborhood. It would be nice if our police officers could be civil towards citizens, and citizens in return could do the same thing.
I understand that culturally things just aren't like that, and police are expected to act like miniature dictators towards people who make minor traffic offenses.
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_T._Francis#Anarcho-tyranny
Or to just rush him down with 3-4 people WITHOUT the taser?
I do think the old nightstick to the gut would have been better in that situation if force were going to be used.
I consider you a decently intelligent
individual,
Haha, thanks I think.
I do think the old nightstick to the gut would have been better in that situation if force were going to be used.
"
Courts disagree and cops disagree, tazer is better. You are at range and can incapacitate the suspect without putting yourself in danger. Seems much better then going to hit someone with a nightstick and they stab you. I'd rather be 8 ft. away and make them unable to move.
The kid is lucky he didn't get shot, tbh. After being told to back away, and turn around he continued walking at the cop. Welcome to serious threat land...
Do you know how fast someone can close when they are only 6 feet away? Pretty fast. That's how cops get killed, by not reacting to situations like that one.
It is basic officer safety. Suspect refused to listen to simple instructions and would not comply to any instruction. Officer used his first level of force, his voice. His second level threats, bumped up pretty fast to threaten with his fire-arm but was justified since the suspect kept walking at him. Then moved back DOWN his use of force to a tazer to regain control of the situation. Seems like the cop did EXACTLY what he should have done.
Vir Nov 6, 2009 at 8:51 am
+1 votes
Courts disagree and cops disagree, tazer is better. You are at range
and can incapacitate the suspect without putting yourself in danger.
Seems much better then going to hit someone with a nightstick and they
stab you. I'd rather be 8 ft. away and make them unable to move.
I'm sure the taser is better for the cops, the question is if it's better for the public.
It is basic officer safety. Suspect refused to listen to simple
instructions and would not comply to any instruction. Officer used his
first level of force, his voice. His second level threats, bumped up
pretty fast to threaten with his fire-arm but was justified since the
suspect kept walking at him.
Well, I'm glad the "Basic officer response" nowadays is to pull their gun if someone walks towards them at a traffic stop. After all, walking towards an officer is projecting deadly force, right?
and can incapacitate the suspect without putting yourself in danger.
Seems much better then going to hit someone with a nightstick and they
stab you. I'd rather be 8 ft. away and make them unable to move.
I'm sure the taser is better for the cops, the question is if it's better for the public.
It is basic officer safety. Suspect refused to listen to simple
instructions and would not comply to any instruction. Officer used his
first level of force, his voice. His second level threats, bumped up
pretty fast to threaten with his fire-arm but was justified since the
suspect kept walking at him.
Well, I'm glad the "Basic officer response" nowadays is to pull their gun if someone walks towards them at a traffic stop. After all, walking towards an officer is projecting deadly force, right?
Sleek Nov 5, 2009 at 5:10 pm
-3 votes
dcs said
Seriously? Go **** yourself. Maybe, if he did what the cop said in the first place (stay in his car) Then MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, the cop would have told him what it was about, LIKE EVERY OTHER TRAFFIC VIOLATION.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
There is a procedure to this sort of thing. Its pretty ******* common. Cop pulls you over, you give him license and registration. YOU DO NOT GET OUT OF CAR and walk to the officer. How is the officer to know you did not just kill a ****, throw him in your trunk, and now plan to kill the cop as soon as you get close enough to whip out a knife? Guess what, that **** does happen, and why the **** should he (the cop) take that chance?
It is not a matter of Cowardice, its a matter of common sense. The cop was asking him to get back in his car, not jump in a ******* burner at auchswitz. Way to blow **** out of proportion you ******* moron. But it is the trait of ******* idiots to compare things to hitler and the holocaust so it is to be expected.
Now, if the cop got to the car, and he was complying, and the cop just gave him a ticket for no reason and he didn't fight it in court, then that is cowardice. What that guy did was stupid, and your a ******* idiot for seeing it any other way.
"my kids will pay for your cowardice" This is the biggest crime here today, that idiots like you are allowed to have children at all. It is exactly how we end up with idiots like him in the first place.
But for argument's sake, let's just say a crooked license plate is a good reason to pull someone over. Now this is an infraction that the driver is very unlikely to even be aware of, so he has no idea why he's being pulled over. This is where he should have been treated like a citizen instead of a criminal.
People do jump to nazi comparisons way to quickly, but I actually didn't. I stand by it. This is exactly how people (like the jews) are gradually stripped of their personal rights. Complacent short-sighted ******* like yourself think "It's easy to just do what they say, why cause problems?" It sets precedent and gives people power over you that they were never supposed to have. The idea that you feel like it's ok to end up on your knees in the street with your back to someone pointing a gun at you without being told why is very disturbing. You put way too much trust in these highschool bullies-turned-cops. The nazis didn't just walk up to the jews and tell them to hop in the oven...
dcs Nov 5, 2009 at 6:01 pm
+5 votes
"He wasn't doing anything wrong, he didn't deserve to be bothered at all." WRONG. he had a movement violation, and had he not, then this would not have happened. A law is a law, and the cop is not in the wrong for deciding to pull him over because of it. He was treated like a citizen until he acted like a criminal by getting out of the car, and against a officers request, staying out of the car.
Your a ******* idiot. You keep making these doomsday comparisons like a ******* tool all ******* day. I can do that to. What if he had a gun behind his shirt and planed on shooting the officer? In that case the cop should have just blew his ******* brains out to start.
The fact is, he told him to get back in the car. This is not a unreasonable request, and had he followed the request, this incident would not be what it is. Had the cop made a unreasonable request such as "take off your clothes and bite the curb" then you may have some ground to stand on. but you do not, all he told him to do is get back in the car. How you make the jump from that to nazi's is beyond me, but i imagine for your pathetic feeble mind its not to big of a stretch.
"You put way too much trust in these highschool bullies-turned-cops" Better them than these inbred retards who ignore simple request by officers.
In summation, your a ******* prick dumb**** who thinks he's hard and wont take nothing from "the man". I do not blame you, your father is probably just as stupid and taught you these incompetent mannerisms.
But that's ok. I hope that this situation happens to you, and the results will be the same:
A punk ***** crying like a baby in the fetal position as he gets his stupid ass tazzed like he deserves.
Your a ******* idiot. You keep making these doomsday comparisons like a ******* tool all ******* day. I can do that to. What if he had a gun behind his shirt and planed on shooting the officer? In that case the cop should have just blew his ******* brains out to start.
The fact is, he told him to get back in the car. This is not a unreasonable request, and had he followed the request, this incident would not be what it is. Had the cop made a unreasonable request such as "take off your clothes and bite the curb" then you may have some ground to stand on. but you do not, all he told him to do is get back in the car. How you make the jump from that to nazi's is beyond me, but i imagine for your pathetic feeble mind its not to big of a stretch.
"You put way too much trust in these highschool bullies-turned-cops" Better them than these inbred retards who ignore simple request by officers.
In summation, your a ******* prick dumb**** who thinks he's hard and wont take nothing from "the man". I do not blame you, your father is probably just as stupid and taught you these incompetent mannerisms.
But that's ok. I hope that this situation happens to you, and the results will be the same:
A punk ***** crying like a baby in the fetal position as he gets his stupid ass tazzed like he deserves.
Sleek Nov 5, 2009 at 6:21 pm
+1 votes
dcs said
"He wasn't doing anything wrong, he didn't deserve to be bothered at all." WRONG. he had a movement violation, and had he not, then this would not have happened. A law is a law, and the cop is not in the wrong for deciding to pull him over because of it. He was treated like a citizen until he acted like a criminal by getting out of the car, and against a officers request, staying out of the car.
Your a ******* idiot. You keep making these doomsday comparisons like a ******* tool all ******* day. I can do that to. What if he had a gun behind his shirt and planed on shooting the officer? In that case the cop should have just blew his ******* brains out to start.
The fact is, he told him to get back in the car. This is not a unreasonable request, and had he followed the request, this incident would not be what it is. Had the cop made a unreasonable request such as "take off your clothes and bite the curb" then you may have some ground to stand on. but you do not, all he told him to do is get back in the car. How you make the jump from that to nazi's is beyond me, but i imagine for your pathetic feeble mind its not to big of a stretch.
"You put way too much trust in these highschool bullies-turned-cops" Better them than these inbred retards who ignore simple request by officers.
In summation, your a ******* prick dumb**** who thinks he's hard and wont take nothing from "the man". I do not blame you, your father is probably just as stupid and taught you these incompetent mannerisms.
But that's ok. I hope that this situation happens to you, and the results will be the same:
A punk ***** crying like a baby in the fetal position as he gets his stupid ass tazzed like he deserves.
Your a ******* idiot. You keep making these doomsday comparisons like a ******* tool all ******* day. I can do that to. What if he had a gun behind his shirt and planed on shooting the officer? In that case the cop should have just blew his ******* brains out to start.
The fact is, he told him to get back in the car. This is not a unreasonable request, and had he followed the request, this incident would not be what it is. Had the cop made a unreasonable request such as "take off your clothes and bite the curb" then you may have some ground to stand on. but you do not, all he told him to do is get back in the car. How you make the jump from that to nazi's is beyond me, but i imagine for your pathetic feeble mind its not to big of a stretch.
"You put way too much trust in these highschool bullies-turned-cops" Better them than these inbred retards who ignore simple request by officers.
In summation, your a ******* prick dumb**** who thinks he's hard and wont take nothing from "the man". I do not blame you, your father is probably just as stupid and taught you these incompetent mannerisms.
But that's ok. I hope that this situation happens to you, and the results will be the same:
A punk ***** crying like a baby in the fetal position as he gets his stupid ass tazzed like he deserves.
EDIT:
Had the cop made a unreasonable request such as "take off your clothes and bite the curb" then you may have some ground to stand on.
Is that all this is, a miscommunication? I agree he shoulda got back in the car and that it was a reasonable request. I've been talking about the request to turn his back to the cops gun and kneel down in the street. You think that's alot better than " take off your clothes and bite the curb"?
dcs Nov 5, 2009 at 6:40 pm
+2 votes
Sleek said
I just feel sorry for you, and that's really all. You aren't alone, the majority thinks like you do and that's why we aren't free people any more.
EDIT:
Had the cop made a unreasonable request such as "take off your clothes and bite the curb" then you may have some ground to stand on.
Is that all this is, a miscommunication? I agree he shoulda got back in the car and that it was a reasonable request. I've been talking about the request to turn his back to the cops gun and kneel down in the street. You think that's alot better than " take off your clothes and bite the curb"?
EDIT:
Had the cop made a unreasonable request such as "take off your clothes and bite the curb" then you may have some ground to stand on.
Is that all this is, a miscommunication? I agree he shoulda got back in the car and that it was a reasonable request. I've been talking about the request to turn his back to the cops gun and kneel down in the street. You think that's alot better than " take off your clothes and bite the curb"?
what difference does it make if you are facing the gun or not, at that range if the cop wanted to kill him he could have. He was putting him in a position that would pose the least threat to the officer. There are reasons for these protocols, criminals have pulled guns and shot officers in situations like this. They have pulled knives and stabbed officers in situations like this. Why on earth would the cop take any chances?
Had he complied with the first request he would not have got the second request. Now, if the cops initial request was to get out of the car, put your hands behind your back, and put your knees on the ground, then i could see questioning what the **** is going on. But that is not the case, and I have no intention of humoring hypothetical situations.
Sleek Nov 5, 2009 at 6:55 pm
-1 votes
dcs said
No, at that point he had demonstrated actions that are not consistent with the way a normal person with nothing to hide would have. He was acting HIGHLY suspicious, and best not to take any chances. I personally would have thought him on some sort of narcotic, and **** if i would have took any chances.
what difference does it make if you are facing the gun or not, at that range if the cop wanted to kill him he could have. He was putting him in a position that would pose the least threat to the officer. There are reasons for these protocols, criminals have pulled guns and shot officers in situations like this. They have pulled knives and stabbed officers in situations like this. Why on earth would the cop take any chances?
Had he complied with the first request he would not have got the second request. Now, if the cops initial request was to get out of the car, put your hands behind your back, and put your knees on the ground, then i could see questioning what the **** is going on. But that is not the case, and I have no intention of humoring hypothetical situations.
what difference does it make if you are facing the gun or not, at that range if the cop wanted to kill him he could have. He was putting him in a position that would pose the least threat to the officer. There are reasons for these protocols, criminals have pulled guns and shot officers in situations like this. They have pulled knives and stabbed officers in situations like this. Why on earth would the cop take any chances?
Had he complied with the first request he would not have got the second request. Now, if the cops initial request was to get out of the car, put your hands behind your back, and put your knees on the ground, then i could see questioning what the **** is going on. But that is not the case, and I have no intention of humoring hypothetical situations.
That guy wasn't a criminal and that's the underlying assumption that's making you be a retard. I'm done with this topic, be excellent to eachother, peace.
dcs Nov 5, 2009 at 7:00 pm
+3 votes
Sleek said
There are reasons for these protocols, criminals have pulled guns and shot officers in situations like this.
That guy wasn't a criminal and that's the underlying assumption that's making you be a retard. I'm done with this topic, be excellent to eachother, peace.
That guy wasn't a criminal and that's the underlying assumption that's making you be a retard. I'm done with this topic, be excellent to eachother, peace.
dcs Nov 5, 2009 at 7:15 pm
+2 votes
Sleek said
There are reasons for these protocols, criminals have pulled guns and shot officers in situations like this.
That guy wasn't a criminal and that's the underlying assumption that's making you be a retard. I'm done with this topic, be excellent to eachother, peace.
That guy wasn't a criminal and that's the underlying assumption that's making you be a retard. I'm done with this topic, be excellent to eachother, peace.
Also lol at this sentence. It is just the type of thing I have come to expect out of you.
Naac Nov 5, 2009 at 8:46 pm
+2 votes
If cops ask people to show respect towards them, they could atleast show some respect in return.
The guy that was pulled over, was calm from the very start and simply asked what he did. Whether the cop wanted to answer him or not, the very least he could do was at least try and begin with returning the respect rather than immediately ESCALATING ( aka putting himself in more danger for needlessly aggravating people) the situation but yelling/threatening from the very beginning.
Please try and argue why the cop doing what he did was in fact a better choice regarding his safety rather than trying to argue. The cop is still the one with the taser/gun and is obviously not the one in danger.
Again, all he had to do was politely tell the guy that, " just to be safe, i'd like you to not get any closer, and I pulled you over for a crooked license plate/routine traffic stop ( whatever it initally was)" ... I really fail to see how that would not have been the best choice in that situation. Officers acting immature like that and screaming at the top of their lungs from the very start does not make people want to offer you any respect in return and just comply with no reason.
As old as the saying is, "treat people the way you want to be treated". As childish as it sounds, it perfectly fits in this situation. If you want to be respected, treat other people with respect as well.
The guy that was pulled over, was calm from the very start and simply asked what he did. Whether the cop wanted to answer him or not, the very least he could do was at least try and begin with returning the respect rather than immediately ESCALATING ( aka putting himself in more danger for needlessly aggravating people) the situation but yelling/threatening from the very beginning.
Please try and argue why the cop doing what he did was in fact a better choice regarding his safety rather than trying to argue. The cop is still the one with the taser/gun and is obviously not the one in danger.
Again, all he had to do was politely tell the guy that, " just to be safe, i'd like you to not get any closer, and I pulled you over for a crooked license plate/routine traffic stop ( whatever it initally was)" ... I really fail to see how that would not have been the best choice in that situation. Officers acting immature like that and screaming at the top of their lungs from the very start does not make people want to offer you any respect in return and just comply with no reason.
As old as the saying is, "treat people the way you want to be treated". As childish as it sounds, it perfectly fits in this situation. If you want to be respected, treat other people with respect as well.
Slapnuts Nov 5, 2009 at 11:10 pm
+1 votes
See this is kind of my thoughts. While the guy was clearly in the wrong it seems the officer took that all so familiar stance that we see so often that presumes they are superior to you, don't have to answer to you, and you have to bend over backwards for them.
You are innocent until proven guilty in this country, even over a tilted license plate.
As Naac said, that cop have said under 10 words and explained why he pulled him over instead of the 60 times saying "get in the car". What would have been easier just from a physical standpoint and less words? But no, he had to have that aura of attitude as if everyone needs to submit to them. The cop should have been better guy from the get go and calmly explained that. But, after reality set in after the first 5 or so "get in your cars" the guy should have shut his yap and just done it.
You are innocent until proven guilty in this country, even over a tilted license plate.
As Naac said, that cop have said under 10 words and explained why he pulled him over instead of the 60 times saying "get in the car". What would have been easier just from a physical standpoint and less words? But no, he had to have that aura of attitude as if everyone needs to submit to them. The cop should have been better guy from the get go and calmly explained that. But, after reality set in after the first 5 or so "get in your cars" the guy should have shut his yap and just done it.
Saent Nov 5, 2009 at 11:20 pm
+3 votes
I dont understand why he got out of the car in the first place. I get pulled over, I expect to be able to drive away after having a short chat with the officer and potentially getting a ticket. I have never felt the urge to get out of the car and start walking towards the Police.
Now I figure the cop has done like 100s of stops, and I bet that was the first time someone actually got out of the car and started coming towards him; which is rather odd behavior and I would hope that the guy would realize he is making the officer with the gun nervous by acting this way, and get back in the car.
But some people just have to push the situation, and those people get Shocked and scream like a stuck pig; and im ok with that.
Now I figure the cop has done like 100s of stops, and I bet that was the first time someone actually got out of the car and started coming towards him; which is rather odd behavior and I would hope that the guy would realize he is making the officer with the gun nervous by acting this way, and get back in the car.
But some people just have to push the situation, and those people get Shocked and scream like a stuck pig; and im ok with that.
Hektik Nov 6, 2009 at 12:46 am
+1 votes
Slapnuts said
See this is kind of my thoughts. While the guy was clearly in the wrong it seems the officer took that all so familiar stance that we see so often that presumes they are superior to you, don't have to answer to you, and you have to bend over backwards for them.
You are innocent until proven guilty in this country, even over a tilted license plate.
As Naac said, that cop have said under 10 words and explained why he pulled him over instead of the 60 times saying "get in the car". What would have been easier just from a physical standpoint and less words? But no, he had to have that aura of attitude as if everyone needs to submit to them. The cop should have been better guy from the get go and calmly explained that. But, after reality set in after the first 5 or so "get in your cars" the guy should have shut his yap and just done it.
You are innocent until proven guilty in this country, even over a tilted license plate.
As Naac said, that cop have said under 10 words and explained why he pulled him over instead of the 60 times saying "get in the car". What would have been easier just from a physical standpoint and less words? But no, he had to have that aura of attitude as if everyone needs to submit to them. The cop should have been better guy from the get go and calmly explained that. But, after reality set in after the first 5 or so "get in your cars" the guy should have shut his yap and just done it.
Slap, how many times have you been pulled over? How many times did you immediately jump out of your car and start making a beeline at the cop? What's that none? That's because that is called strange behavior and highly unusual, hence the cops reaction to tell the guy to get back into the car.
It's night and who knows who this guy is. He gets pulled over and right away gets out of his car and starts approaching the cop. How much more threatening does he need to be before the cop can react? Actualy pull a gun on him? Or try to stab him? At what point is it okay to feel threatened? Id say when the guy gets out of the car. Very strange behavior.
Cop was totally justified in his actions and that is the kind of cops I *WANT* where I live.
The cop IS superior, he doesn't have to answer to you, and you DO have to listen to them. Sorry, that's called the law. We have entrusted them with the protection of our safety and cops in America are rarely so corrupt as to harm you for no reason. In reality, you have little to fear from a marked patrol car and a uniformed officer in America. If you threaten them, then they have the absolute right to defend their life. This guy clearly made consistent threatening moves. To be honest, if I was that cop, I would have tazzed him by the time he got to the front of my car, there would have been no sixty commands. You can close ground fast and people on drugs don't always react to gunshots like people not on drugs. This guys actions would have me believe he was high on something.
The cop should not have answered his question. The guy should have stayed in his car. I hate hypo's but what is safer for the cop? Answer crazy guys question who is being threatening or point gun at him and tell him to get back in his car?
Think if it was your life on the line would you really just calmly say "Sir please do not approach me and please get in your car, I pulled you over for a minor traffic violation. Thank you." No, you'd protect yourself just the same.
Slapnuts Nov 6, 2009 at 12:54 am
+1 votes
Look, I readily admit the guy was wrong and I would never do anything like that. Im not denying that. But obviously the situation was out of hand so why keep going down that path instead of just answering the guy? Was it really that difficult?
The guy got off on the resisting arrest charge so clearly someone(s) didn't think he was that out of line. Would I have done it? No. But a few simple words on either side and it could have had a much different outcome. That is all I am saying.
And I am sorry but I am badge does not make them superior to you as a human being nor when it comes basic rights and respect. When it comes to enforcing the law, of course. Common courtesy could have prevailed on either side and it didn't.
And if the facts are true about 6 tases then that to me shows the cop was itching to punish this guy and his judgment at the time may have not been the best.
The guy got off on the resisting arrest charge so clearly someone(s) didn't think he was that out of line. Would I have done it? No. But a few simple words on either side and it could have had a much different outcome. That is all I am saying.
And I am sorry but I am badge does not make them superior to you as a human being nor when it comes basic rights and respect. When it comes to enforcing the law, of course. Common courtesy could have prevailed on either side and it didn't.
And if the facts are true about 6 tases then that to me shows the cop was itching to punish this guy and his judgment at the time may have not been the best.
Hektik Nov 6, 2009 at 10:14 am
+2 votes
"The guy got off on the resisting arrest charge so clearly someone(s) didn't think he was that out of line. "
OJ Got off to, he must have been innocent as well.
He probably got off on resisting arrest charges because the cop never placed him under arrest, I have no idea I'm not a lawyer.
Either way, the cop is in a superior position. You totally ignored the idea that cops in America do not go around pulling people over and killing them. While on the other hand, cops do pull people over and get killed some crazy bastard. We've entrust law enforcement with our safety. If they (as law enforcement) feel threatened by some crazy jackass who jumps out of his car and approaches the officer and doesn't STOP approaching, EVEN WITH A GUN POINTED AT HIM, then I support whatever action that cop takes.
My first assumption would be the guy is on drugs and who knows what this guy is going to do. I don't know any NORMAL AVERAGE person who will get out of their car during a traffic stop, approach the cop, have a gun pointed at them, ignore the cops commands to get back into their car, keep approaching the cop even with the gun still pointed at them and being told to stop approaching, and then start yelling at the cop. To me that seems like a crazy bastard.
If you think that's normal behavior and the cop should respond to him with normal behavior then you are also ******* crazy.
The cop should taze that guy until he comlies with a simple command like "Put your hands behind your back." You can't allow a suspect (because thats what this guy made himself by ignoring so many simpe basic commands that are typical for any traffic stop and we all know that.) to just freely fight you back. Officer safety would suggest that you have to keep him incapacitated until you can get hand cuffs on. Maybe you are unaware but right after the tazer stops you are perfectly fine with no pain. It isn't like a lingering incapacitatedness or anything.
The fact that you think this officer doens't have the right to protect his own life doesn't make any sense. I could probably find you some videos where a situation goes from normal to abnormal in seconds and the cop didn't react fast enough and got killed. But we all know that happens but you are arguing that the cop shouldn't have the right to protect himself. Great idea.
"And I am sorry but I am badge does not make them superior to you as a human being" I didn't say it did, but they are in a superior position of power. When you goto court who is in charge? You or the judge? I bet it isn't you but that doesn't make the judge a "superior human being". It simply means he is the one currently in charge, if you don't listen to HIS commands he can hold you in contempt.
The cop could have handled it differently but he doesn't know until afterwards that this guy isn't crazy.
OJ Got off to, he must have been innocent as well.
He probably got off on resisting arrest charges because the cop never placed him under arrest, I have no idea I'm not a lawyer.
Either way, the cop is in a superior position. You totally ignored the idea that cops in America do not go around pulling people over and killing them. While on the other hand, cops do pull people over and get killed some crazy bastard. We've entrust law enforcement with our safety. If they (as law enforcement) feel threatened by some crazy jackass who jumps out of his car and approaches the officer and doesn't STOP approaching, EVEN WITH A GUN POINTED AT HIM, then I support whatever action that cop takes.
My first assumption would be the guy is on drugs and who knows what this guy is going to do. I don't know any NORMAL AVERAGE person who will get out of their car during a traffic stop, approach the cop, have a gun pointed at them, ignore the cops commands to get back into their car, keep approaching the cop even with the gun still pointed at them and being told to stop approaching, and then start yelling at the cop. To me that seems like a crazy bastard.
If you think that's normal behavior and the cop should respond to him with normal behavior then you are also ******* crazy.
The cop should taze that guy until he comlies with a simple command like "Put your hands behind your back." You can't allow a suspect (because thats what this guy made himself by ignoring so many simpe basic commands that are typical for any traffic stop and we all know that.) to just freely fight you back. Officer safety would suggest that you have to keep him incapacitated until you can get hand cuffs on. Maybe you are unaware but right after the tazer stops you are perfectly fine with no pain. It isn't like a lingering incapacitatedness or anything.
The fact that you think this officer doens't have the right to protect his own life doesn't make any sense. I could probably find you some videos where a situation goes from normal to abnormal in seconds and the cop didn't react fast enough and got killed. But we all know that happens but you are arguing that the cop shouldn't have the right to protect himself. Great idea.
"And I am sorry but I am badge does not make them superior to you as a human being" I didn't say it did, but they are in a superior position of power. When you goto court who is in charge? You or the judge? I bet it isn't you but that doesn't make the judge a "superior human being". It simply means he is the one currently in charge, if you don't listen to HIS commands he can hold you in contempt.
The cop could have handled it differently but he doesn't know until afterwards that this guy isn't crazy.
Vir Nov 6, 2009 at 9:04 am
+1 votes
The cop IS superior, he doesn't have to answer to you, and you DO have
to listen to them. Sorry, that's called the law.
Yes, the law is "Cops are miniature dictators'. If not the law, it's the understood law nowadays. It's a pretty horrible backlash that occurred after the crime that grew out of the 60s and 70s. It's not the way a free society should be.
to listen to them. Sorry, that's called the law.
Yes, the law is "Cops are miniature dictators'. If not the law, it's the understood law nowadays. It's a pretty horrible backlash that occurred after the crime that grew out of the 60s and 70s. It's not the way a free society should be.
dcs Nov 5, 2009 at 11:51 pm
+2 votes
No, you cannot say this guy was calm, he was yelling at the cop, moving closer to him, basically instigating. And again, it was 100% his fault for not getting back in the car. Had he not made that first mistake, nothing would even be up for debate.
"Please try and argue why the cop doing what he did was in fact a better
choice regarding his safety rather than trying to argue. The cop is
still the one with the taser/gun and is obviously not the one in danger."
In this case, yes. But you cannot know until after the fact, that is why member of law enforcement prepare for the worst. There are levels of force, and anyone in law enforcement knows them and when you are allowed to take it up a notch. What he did was well in line with current regulations, and they are good regulations imo.
"Whether the cop wanted to answer him or not, the very least he could do
was at least try and begin with returning the respect rather than
immediately ESCALATING ( aka putting himself in more danger for
needlessly aggravating people) the situation but yelling/threatening
from the very beginning. "
Are we even watching the same vid here? He told the guy to get back in the car 3 or 4 times, and none of those were in threatfull manner. The fool in the car escalated it by not complying with NORMAL traffic violation procedure.
"As old as the saying is, "treat people the way you want to be
treated". As childish as it sounds, it perfectly fits in this
situation. If you want to be respected, treat other people with
respect as well."
Works great till you get shot. The chump in the car should have respected the officer and stayed in his car until the cop explained what it was about. I would not take that chance, and I would not expect any officer to either. The request to get back in the car was reasonable, and imo, you should obey any reasonable request by an officer.
"Please try and argue why the cop doing what he did was in fact a better
choice regarding his safety rather than trying to argue. The cop is
still the one with the taser/gun and is obviously not the one in danger."
In this case, yes. But you cannot know until after the fact, that is why member of law enforcement prepare for the worst. There are levels of force, and anyone in law enforcement knows them and when you are allowed to take it up a notch. What he did was well in line with current regulations, and they are good regulations imo.
"Whether the cop wanted to answer him or not, the very least he could do
was at least try and begin with returning the respect rather than
immediately ESCALATING ( aka putting himself in more danger for
needlessly aggravating people) the situation but yelling/threatening
from the very beginning. "
Are we even watching the same vid here? He told the guy to get back in the car 3 or 4 times, and none of those were in threatfull manner. The fool in the car escalated it by not complying with NORMAL traffic violation procedure.
"As old as the saying is, "treat people the way you want to be
treated". As childish as it sounds, it perfectly fits in this
situation. If you want to be respected, treat other people with
respect as well."
Works great till you get shot. The chump in the car should have respected the officer and stayed in his car until the cop explained what it was about. I would not take that chance, and I would not expect any officer to either. The request to get back in the car was reasonable, and imo, you should obey any reasonable request by an officer.
Naac Nov 6, 2009 at 1:41 am
+4 votes
I understand the guy should have just got in the car to begin with. I probably didn't make that clear.
But do you really think that just continually raising your voice until you eventually have to taser the guy was the best option?
All the cop had to do to *hopefully deescalate the situation was to just tell the guy why he was being pulled over and the rest of the video would not have even been necessary.
Yes the guy being pulled over was being stubborn, but so was the police officer... and as the trained professional I think the responsibility lies on him to try and stay calm and not be the one to further heat up the situation. And like I said, it's not like im asking the guy to go shake hands with the guy being pulled over... hes not putting himself in any more danger by saying "I pulled you over because it was just a routine traffic stop", rather than yelling to turn around for 4 minutes straight.
Also, are you watching the same video I am? Within the first 3 seconds of the guy getting out, the cop already started yelling at him. He at least could have tried treating the guy with some respect first, and I bet 99/100 times the guy would be much more willing to comply.
I just think as much as cops do have the authority to do what they do, it still would be nice for them to try and be calm and respectful before just beginning to scream in the first 5 seconds. And TBH, if the guy wanted to somehow injure the cop, the cop yelling at him wouldn't really stop that.
Like I said though, the officer could easily have tried to be more respectful and the guy probably would have listened immediately. Whether the cop HAD to or not, really isn't a question. Whether he should have though, I think it would have been in both of their best interests to just answer the guys question of why he got pulled over, and IMO the cop was obviously judged that situation very poorly.
But do you really think that just continually raising your voice until you eventually have to taser the guy was the best option?
All the cop had to do to *hopefully deescalate the situation was to just tell the guy why he was being pulled over and the rest of the video would not have even been necessary.
Yes the guy being pulled over was being stubborn, but so was the police officer... and as the trained professional I think the responsibility lies on him to try and stay calm and not be the one to further heat up the situation. And like I said, it's not like im asking the guy to go shake hands with the guy being pulled over... hes not putting himself in any more danger by saying "I pulled you over because it was just a routine traffic stop", rather than yelling to turn around for 4 minutes straight.
Also, are you watching the same video I am? Within the first 3 seconds of the guy getting out, the cop already started yelling at him. He at least could have tried treating the guy with some respect first, and I bet 99/100 times the guy would be much more willing to comply.
I just think as much as cops do have the authority to do what they do, it still would be nice for them to try and be calm and respectful before just beginning to scream in the first 5 seconds. And TBH, if the guy wanted to somehow injure the cop, the cop yelling at him wouldn't really stop that.
Like I said though, the officer could easily have tried to be more respectful and the guy probably would have listened immediately. Whether the cop HAD to or not, really isn't a question. Whether he should have though, I think it would have been in both of their best interests to just answer the guys question of why he got pulled over, and IMO the cop was obviously judged that situation very poorly.
Runnin Nov 6, 2009 at 2:57 am
+1 votes
I'd love to see Sleek and Slapnuts drive around Detroit enforcing the law. They'd probably end up in the hospital within 2 weeks.
Slapnuts Nov 6, 2009 at 3:05 am
+1 votes
Sorry, I go to Detroit more than necessary already and this isn't even comparable. This was a titled license plate, not a damn armed robbery, b&e, or some narcotics call.
Surely the guy was just going to wait 2 minutes into the conversation to pull a gun out and shoot the cop and then take off so he could continue his drug running.
Surely the guy was just going to wait 2 minutes into the conversation to pull a gun out and shoot the cop and then take off so he could continue his drug running.
Runnin Nov 6, 2009 at 3:26 am
+2 votes
The point was that an officer needs to secure his own safety first. Sure, you may have been able to talk to this guy and been fine, but if you try that **** regularly someone is going to take advantage of your "respect" and hurt you. Now this guy may not have wanted to hurt the cop, but how is the cop supposed to know that? If he lets his guard down for a split second he could very easily get himself in a lot of trouble, I'm sure you've seen videos of situations like that going south.
http://www.vidmax.com/video/3015/Female_cop_beaten_to_a_pulp_by_a_driver_who_just_didn__39_t_want_to_go_back_to_jail/
Here's an example of a person who was pulled over that was acting significantly LESS hostile and erratic than the guy in your video. The officer was not in control of the situation, and in a split second she nearly lost her life. If you or Sleek were in this situation, this is what would happen to you. You can't use hind sight and say, well that guy didn't hurt anyone, because cops need to assume the worst is going to happen to prevent these incidents.
http://www.vidmax.com/video/3015/Female_cop_beaten_to_a_pulp_by_a_driver_who_just_didn__39_t_want_to_go_back_to_jail/
Here's an example of a person who was pulled over that was acting significantly LESS hostile and erratic than the guy in your video. The officer was not in control of the situation, and in a split second she nearly lost her life. If you or Sleek were in this situation, this is what would happen to you. You can't use hind sight and say, well that guy didn't hurt anyone, because cops need to assume the worst is going to happen to prevent these incidents.
Slapnuts Nov 6, 2009 at 3:36 am
+1 votes
I understand what you are saying but those situations aren't even comparable. The guy didn't even get near the officer, never acted erratic other than getting out of the car in the first place, and after that far into the conversation at what point does common sense step in for either one and the reality that they were both making a mountain out of a mole hill become clear?
Yes the guy was an idiot, no he shouldn't have gotten out of the car, but how would the officer explaining to him what he was pulling him over for at any point have endangered his life when the guy was already out of the car?
It wouldn't have and we both know that. It was stubbornness at that point that took over for each of them and neither wanted to back down. It would not have harmed that cop in the slightest to just say hey, after a minute of realizing the guy wasn't going to back down, hands in plain sight to just say, "your tilted license plate, that is all, lets calm down a bit".
Disagree?
Yes the guy was an idiot, no he shouldn't have gotten out of the car, but how would the officer explaining to him what he was pulling him over for at any point have endangered his life when the guy was already out of the car?
It wouldn't have and we both know that. It was stubbornness at that point that took over for each of them and neither wanted to back down. It would not have harmed that cop in the slightest to just say hey, after a minute of realizing the guy wasn't going to back down, hands in plain sight to just say, "your tilted license plate, that is all, lets calm down a bit".
Disagree?
Runnin Nov 6, 2009 at 3:53 am
+2 votes
I do disagree still. I feel that (and I imagine you will disagree and we'll have to leave it at that) the officer should make no concessions when someone is being uncooperative. In addition, I don't think the cop or civilian would want to increase the officer's mental processing load in an already stressful situation.
The cop is completely focused on the man and every slight movement that he makes so that he can react quickly if he needs to. If he has to stop and begin multitasking even the slightest distraction that that causes could be disastrous. He could miss a sudden movement for a gun, he could mistakenly think he sees the man reach for something and fire his gun - it's just not worth the risk at all for either of them. Even if you're naturally distrustful of cops you have to at least look out for your own safety by not putting any further stress on their emotions or cognitive processes.
The cop is completely focused on the man and every slight movement that he makes so that he can react quickly if he needs to. If he has to stop and begin multitasking even the slightest distraction that that causes could be disastrous. He could miss a sudden movement for a gun, he could mistakenly think he sees the man reach for something and fire his gun - it's just not worth the risk at all for either of them. Even if you're naturally distrustful of cops you have to at least look out for your own safety by not putting any further stress on their emotions or cognitive processes.
dcs Nov 6, 2009 at 1:32 pm
+1 votes
I think the two are comparable, the guy was heading closer and closer to the cop, was withing 10 yards at one point, which is striking distance. In the video he showed the guy was 100% compliant until he decided to break her face, and up till that point he was far more cival than the guy who continued to progress to the cop, and even grabbed his legs to shout at the top of his lungs, which is fairly erratic (not that the big guy was acting erratic before he smashed that cop).
But i do agree the cop could have at least tried to explain rather than just beating the dead horse. Hindsight is 20/20, however, and adrenalin from pulling a gun on a guy acting totally out of the norm probably had something to do with it.
But i do agree the cop could have at least tried to explain rather than just beating the dead horse. Hindsight is 20/20, however, and adrenalin from pulling a gun on a guy acting totally out of the norm probably had something to do with it.
Hektik Nov 6, 2009 at 12:13 pm
+2 votes
Slapnuts said
Sorry, I go to Detroit more than necessary already and this isn't even comparable. This was a titled license plate, not a damn armed robbery, b&e, or some narcotics call.
Surely the guy was just going to wait 2 minutes into the conversation to pull a gun out and shoot the cop and then take off so he could continue his drug running.
Surely the guy was just going to wait 2 minutes into the conversation to pull a gun out and shoot the cop and then take off so he could continue his drug running.
Hektik Nov 6, 2009 at 12:49 am
+3 votes
Sleek said
There are reasons for these protocols, criminals have pulled guns and shot officers in situations like this.
That guy wasn't a criminal and that's the underlying assumption that's making you be a retard. I'm done with this topic, be excellent to eachother, peace.
That guy wasn't a criminal and that's the underlying assumption that's making you be a retard. I'm done with this topic, be excellent to eachother, peace.
People like you would have cops commit suicide before using force.
Gosh forbid the people we entrust to protect us be allowed to also defend themselves, how horrible!
Ely Nov 6, 2009 at 3:32 am
+2 votes
didn't watch the video, but somebody mentioned he tasered the guy without warning-just wondering is that protocol or out of the norm?
Too easy; that's how **** like the holocaust happens.
seriously? ban this ******* idiot please
Too easy; that's how **** like the holocaust happens.
seriously? ban this ******* idiot please
Slapnuts Nov 6, 2009 at 3:40 am
+1 votes
In the U.S. excessive taser use is rampant. Without any kind of warning usually isn't that common in the excessive videos we have seen but it does happen. Generally its just the use of a taser when it isn't warranted as its supposed to a substitute for a gun and baton, diminishing lethal force and to prevent close quarters risk.
Cops often end up using it when suspects aren't unruly, aren't a risk, have already been incapacitated, stuff like that is when they get in trouble.
Cops often end up using it when suspects aren't unruly, aren't a risk, have already been incapacitated, stuff like that is when they get in trouble.
Runnin Nov 6, 2009 at 3:58 am
+1 votes
Just to clarify what I was trying to say earlier
http://www.realpolice.net/articles/police-stress/common-stress.html
If you scroll down to the "Traffic Stops" section about halfway down it does a better job than I did of explaining my opinion. This is obviously a pro-police website and I'm not trying to use it as evidence, merely a better worded/explained version of my argument.
http://www.realpolice.net/articles/police-stress/common-stress.html
If you scroll down to the "Traffic Stops" section about halfway down it does a better job than I did of explaining my opinion. This is obviously a pro-police website and I'm not trying to use it as evidence, merely a better worded/explained version of my argument.
Darkmiss Nov 5, 2009 at 2:35 pm
+1 votes
After 3 months of trying, we finally got Keeley. Job well done, Slap.
Slapnuts Nov 5, 2009 at 5:16 pm
+1 votes
It has been a tough road, I'd like to thank all our supporters and fans!
The front page art is snazzy, still debating which of the two to use.
The front page art is snazzy, still debating which of the two to use.
Heirophant Nov 5, 2009 at 7:24 pm
+1 votes
I'm reppin Maine on the Epic Drop and I can say that a lot of people are not too happy about the whole "Yes on One"
Snikkums Nov 5, 2009 at 8:33 pm
+1 votes
It's become clear that relying on citizens to vote the right way or politicians to legislate the right way is either not effective or taking too long. The issue is civil rights, gays should be protected under the 14th Amendment. Now is the time for "activist judges" to curb-stomp conservatives everywhere and clarify the Constitutional position. The most promising way forward is sending a case to the US Supreme Court. Perhaps Ted Olsen et al and Prop 8 can be that case. Either way, all glory to SCOTUS and equal protection for all.
Alexx Nov 5, 2009 at 11:12 pm
+1 votes
would it be fair to say that partly because the majority of america is christian, gay marrige is having such a hard time getting approved?
I THINK SO.
kinda sad that 76% of gays are probably christian too. religious idiots.
FLAME ON. * SOARS INTO THE SKY
I THINK SO.
kinda sad that 76% of gays are probably christian too. religious idiots.
FLAME ON. * SOARS INTO THE SKY
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