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by Slapnuts, Level 70
Last updated at August 30, 2008, 5:38 am
Quick post before I head off and fall asleep to The Wire. 

I was reading around the net today and came across this forum which pretty much validated the thoughts I had when Vir first posted the idea of Sarah Palin a week or two back.  Many women and particularly Hillary backers are going to love this choice by McCain. 

Here is a sampling of some of the absurd comments.  I realize this is just is just a small snippet of the online community but it does give you some perspective on why McCain made the choice:

"HOPE ITS PALIN, I WOULD VOTE TWICE JUST TO STICK IT TO OBAMA"

"Hoo Ray! Fu*k the DNC. Fu*k Obama. They are so fu*k up.   They brushed off the women base like dirt. and the GOP pick them up. Go McCain. Go GO OG !"

"Leave it to the GOP to pick a woman for the ticket.  Obama snubbed the most viable and experienced woman who received 18 million votes, for another MALE.  I have a feeling, somewhere somehow, Hillary is snickering!"
 
"I AM SO EXCITED, I'M HEADING TO ALASKA, YES YES YES YES YES.  VOLUNTEER, I'M IN, I'M READY,DONATE, TIME, WHATEVER, MY VOTE GOES TO MCCAIN/PALIN ALL THE WAY, I'M RUNNING BACK AND FORTH, CANNOT SIT DOWN, I'M CLIMBING THE WALLS"


Personally I am voting Libertarian regardless.  But I have a feeling McCain just made one hell of a move with this choice which will grab many Hillary supporters who feel slighted and possibly many of those middle of the road women.  Sure this won't wrap up many of those "woman's rights" folk with the anti-abortion stance Sarah has, but I think the positives far outweigh the negatives.

It does crack me up to see these supposed Democrats feeling this disenfranchised that they would vote for the other party just over a woman...

 
     
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Deathology
Deathology Aug 30, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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This was an Excellent Pick by McCain for several reasons:

1. As pointed out by slapnuts, the choice of palin represents, someone who can get people that supported hillary to swing over to McCain's side. Even though she's pro life, you have to think a lot of women out there are against abortion except in very certain circumstances (rape, other hate crime, threatens life of mother, ext...).

2. This is a women as VP, possibly. That alone will rally feminists to the McCain banner.

3. She is strongly conservative compared to McCain, who is a bit more liberal of a republican, this affirms many of the hardcore republicans, and conservatives that they now have someone who represent's them.

Still the smartest move he could have made for VP IMO would have been Condi Rice. Women and the african american vote in one.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Aug 30, 2008 at 6:22 pm
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I wonder if maybe Rice is too associated with Bush, and maybe that wouldn't have been a wise move.  Not sure though.
neLson
neLson Aug 30, 2008 at 4:08 pm
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I wouldn't say that it's a terrible choice by McCain; she's much more conservative than him, this helps silence the critics from the far right.  But, this ruins McCain's strategy of harping on about Obama's experience.  This also goes against McCain's top issue, the importance of foreign policy. What does she know about foreign policy by being the governor of Alaska?  She's also pro-life in every circumstance, including rape and incest.  I hope for her sake that she changes that stance if she wants to pull more Hillary supporters, as this will be a HUGE factor for those voters.

All you've heard is that 'women are insulted by McCain's choice', but in reality, this will probably get McCain a good amount of the retarded women voting solely on gender.

I personally don't think this will be the decisive factor in the election, plus Biden will probably destroy her in debates, so this may be a good thing for Obama.  Romney probably will probably be the best choice in the long run, as he is a very good debater and she's debated...no one?
Grup
Grup Aug 30, 2008 at 4:39 pm
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I find it funny people complain about this pick, while it's clearly pandering, how is it any different than picking Biden?  A message of "change" and you take a Washington veteran that was almost irrelevant in the nomination process?  Please, Obama wanted the "norm" to help bolster his image, and since McCain is the norm, he could go outside of it. 

I can't see Biden coming out on top in a debate.  The man is a poor speaker, has bad ideas, is pretty flamboyant.  I remember considering him some kind of joke when I was watching the democratic debates.  Hell, even Kucinich would've been a better pick than Biden.  Remember Cheney vs Edwards?  Most people thought Edwards "won" despite how much smarter Cheney sounded.  People will see a nice, likeable woman and a bitter, angry old man that isn't even a good speaker.  It's the same reason Obama will most likely "win" his debates with McCain.  People like charisma, something Biden fails at (always loud and obnoxious, kind of like McCain).

It's also laughable people can say "McCain picked her for people that'll vote solely on gender", ok, the democrats picked Obama for people that'll vote solely on race, or youth, or good speaking.  Both sides need to realize that they pander the hell out of voters at every turn.
Serratus
Serratus Aug 30, 2008 at 4:57 pm
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The difference is that Biden a. has foreign policy experience up the ass, and b. Obama is not about to die.

The issue is that he chose somebody who until recently was the mayor of a town of 9,000 to very possibly be the president of the largest super power in the world.

 
Grup
Grup Aug 30, 2008 at 5:39 pm
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As far as I can tell, McCain isn't about to die either.  He seems healthy and energetic.  Probably a greater chance of Obama being assassinated than McCain dying from health problems in the next four years.

"Recently" was mayor, Obama was what, recently some kind of state senator (just as irrelevant) until 2005?  And then he becomes s US senator, a position that votes, rather than makes decisions?  And he's the PRESIDENT of that ticket.  As far as I'm concerned, she's as experienced as Obama is, and Obama has no foreign policy experience either.  He says absurd things like the US unilaterally going into Pakistan.

Also, I hate to invoke the stupid "on the job training" quote, but I'd prefer the vice president have that than the president.
Grup
Grup Aug 30, 2008 at 6:08 pm
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And?  My uncle had melanoma in his late 30s.  I'm not qualified to analyze McCain's prostate and whether it's going to kill him in the next four years, but from this report, it doesn't sound like it, not even close.

If McCain dies, an inexperienced vice president takes over, one that would likely have got "on the job training" to replace him.  If Obama wins, an inexperienced president takes over, one without any executive experience.

Personally I don't find anything wrong with being "inexperienced".  Running our country is more or less based on ideology, not experience.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Aug 30, 2008 at 6:26 pm
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People seem to forgot we have had plenty of inexperienced politicians become president and do quite well.  Lincoln anyone?  It is one of the reasons I won't harp on Obama's lack of it, nor would I on Palin's as she is even less likely to get the job.
smoktuki
smoktuki Aug 30, 2008 at 5:06 pm
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It does crack me up to see these supposed Democrats feeling this disenfranchised that they would vote for the other party just over a woman...

Jesus Christ, Do you know what disenfranchised even means??
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Aug 30, 2008 at 6:31 pm
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Yes, actually I do.  And I wasn't referring to the specifics of the right to vote.

I was shooting for the lack of representation and the rendering of their vote as less effective.
smoktuki
smoktuki Aug 31, 2008 at 12:34 am
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Ok well just making sure.  Makes absolutely no sense the way you wrote it.
Vadaria
Vadaria Aug 31, 2008 at 2:22 am
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maybe the word disaffected would fit better there.
wsvg
wsvg Aug 30, 2008 at 5:31 pm
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It was a desperate choice by a desperate man.  He doesn't even know her that well. The Dems had an amazing convention.  It's theirs to screw up at this point.  Obama is a great public speaker.
Rorschach
Rorschach Aug 30, 2008 at 7:05 pm
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A great public speaker, great, that will get us far.  So glad he can speak so well. 

And I am sure he did his research and knew enough about her to make such a decision, to infer he didn't is just stupid.
Alejandra
Alejandra Aug 30, 2008 at 7:48 pm
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What people don't realize is that at the end of the day they are nothing more than tools. You don't have names, you're numbers. You wear id tagged clothes, id tagged shoes, you eat id tagged food. Everything is controlled, you are controlled, your lives are controlled.

The very idea of democracy is not a government of the people and for the people, but a government that keeps the people in check while they go about wasting their sad little lives fruitlessly.

 You have nothing to your name, that car you drive isn't yours, and if it is you'll trade it away soon enough for a newer one. The clothes you wear don't make you happy, you need to buy new ones to keep up with what other people tell. All that do you is done because of influences in your life, in other words your existence is merely that. A state of being alive and breathing, nothing more nothing less. You're unimportant, and what you do won't be remembered.

Like always, you will do what the media tells you to do, you will vote for the candidate someone tells you to vote for. Your thoughts don't belong to you, they belong to someone else who tells you what to think and what to believe. This applies to EVERYBODY, no exceptions. You will hear differing opinions because frankly, if the ship isn't sinking you won't act. However if you're constantly told that the ship IS sinking you'll become frantic and start looking for a way to save your pathetic state of being.

If you're losing your house, your job because of the economy whose fault is that? Is it the politicians? No ladies, it's your own fault for once again doing what other people tell you to do. The American dream is to own a big ******* house, and driving an expensive car, and wearing expensive clothes. This is what television and advertising tells you to do. This is why you take loans which you can't pay, and make uninformed, uneducated decisions that come back to bite you. After this happens, you once again do what other people tell you to do, blame someone other than yourself for your own stupid mistakes which were based off what you were told to begin with. One can't feel sorry for such people, people that pretend to care about others when all they care about is themselves and their meterialistic nature. more more more of everything.

One who sees that which he is told to see, and belives that which he is told to believe and relies on other people for everything that they do or are, can be described as nothing more than blind people.
What is wrong with humanity? everything, and nothing. Who is right and who is wrong? everyone, and no one.
dub
dub Aug 30, 2008 at 8:08 pm
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Good thing is, the "more, more, more" mentality isn't shared around the world. I met the happiest people ever when I was touring South America (I wouldn't expect so since all you see in the media is those guys being piss-poor) and when I came back to Germany I noticed two things: out streets are extremely clean and people here make up problems without having real ones.. but even in Europe we seem to care more about each other than USA, doesn't change the fact we have similar problems.

Anyway, what I learned from South America: people over there generally are more human to me and less media-consuming zombies which care more about clothing, ringtones and trying to earn more money than simply enjoying life which is short enough.
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Inactive Aug 30, 2008 at 9:09 pm
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Inactive Aug 30, 2008 at 9:07 pm
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Nah MAN WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY WE'RE FREE!!!!!!
Talic
Talic Sep 1, 2008 at 3:07 am
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Agent Smith, is that you?  The Oracle told me that you would post here.
kavekk
kavekk Aug 30, 2008 at 8:05 pm
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It's going to be entertaining watching Biden rip her to pieces. Not that it'll have that much of an impact, but it'll be amusing.
Mikroullikus
Mikroullikus Aug 30, 2008 at 9:31 pm
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This was an excellent choice for the democrats. Well done johnny boy.
Kcolraw
Kcolraw Aug 30, 2008 at 11:39 pm
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a pro gun pro life female governor
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