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by Slapnuts, Level 70
Last updated at October 18, 2008, 9:43 pm


Another edition of Slapnut's Weekly Top Five is live for your reading pleasure.  Tonight's topic is the long debated PC gaming vs. console gaming, and how PC gaming is superior.  This will be the first of two parts as next week I will take the opposite stance and see what kind of objections and support we can come up with for each side.

I got to thinking tonight about when I first started gaming, way back in the Atari days.  While my gaming days may have started on a console, I didn't really get heavy into PC gaming until I bought my first PC in 1997.  Since then I probably favor PC gaming about 60-40.  My years playing Counter Strike and Team Fortress account for a good chunk of that.  I asked myself what makes PC gaming better than playing on consoles and these were the key points I came up with.


The greatest mod in PC gaming history?
5.  Customization, mods, and add-ons

Some of the best PC games have sprouted up as mods of other games.  Just on the Valve end there is Counter Strike, Day of Defeat, Gary's Mod, Team Fortress.  Try making mods of your Xbox 360 games in hopes of it becoming a stand along product, not happening.  Many PC games allow for customizations like skins, new UIs and graphical enhancements.  Good luck making those changes on a console.  Generally what you get when it comes out is what you will always have game wise.  And if there are additions to console games, generally you have to pay for them vs. being free on the PC.


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The future of CPUs, Intel's new I7 Chips
4.  Upgradable Hardware

Not having to buy a brand new system to play the next generation of games is a huge advantage when it comes to PC games.  Do you want to play Halo 3, or Metal Gear 4?  Go buy a new console.  Playing Starcraft 2 and Halo 2 isn't nearly as difficult or expensive.  Sure you may need to make hardware upgrades from at times to keep up with the curve, or you can often just run games at lower settings.  Plus the fact that your PC is used for many other things besides games make any kind of upgrade even more valuable.  When your Xbox 360 is on the fritz or RROD'ing there isn't much you can do to fix it.  If you PC is acting up, swap in some hardware and you are good to go.


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Try playing this on your Playstation 3...
3.  FPS, MMOs & RTS

First person shooters, massively multiplayer online games and real-time strategy games are all superior on a PC.  FPS games are my favorite genre and everyone knows the best FPS titles are on PC.  Consoles have yet to do a really successful MMO.  RTS games on a console, with their simplified controls, is usually a mess.  Analog sticks will never be a worthy replacement over a mouse.


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This makes analog sticks shake right off of a controller.
2.  Keyboard and Mouse

There is no substitute for the accuracy of a mouse and the control depth of a keyboard.  Most controllers have no more than 10 or so buttons for various controls.  You could cut your keyboard in thirds and still have more buttons than that.  Aiming with an analog stick is like cutting prime rib with a spoon.  You wouldn't cut your steak with a spoon when an amazing knife, as seen on the right, is available would you?  1:1 positioning with a mouse is far superior than arbitrary locations with a analog stick


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The Crytek engine would make consoles weep...
1.  Better Graphics

This is a given.  Better hardware leads to higher quality graphics.  More eye candy, more anti-aliasing, higher resolutions and a greater frame rate.  60 frames per second is often "quality" on a console title.  60 frames per second is merely average on a PC.  Nearly every single game that sees a console and a PC release looks better on the PC (except when devs do ****ty ports to the PC).  I can game in 1920x1200 on my PC, or I can play at 1280x720 (few console games support 1080p) on my PS3.  With the rate of graphics cards updates consoles just can't compete graphically for the long haul. 

These are the five main reasons I feel PC gaming is superior to consoles.  Next week however I give out some console love and I will tackle the five reasons consoles reign supreme. 

Any thoughts, comments or questions, lets hear them. 


     
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Arirang
Arirang Oct 18, 2008 at 9:51 pm
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But console games come with better playability than PC games do.
Especially multi-player games do.
The concept of "game that grows and change with community" was cool back in 90s.
But somehow it got turned into, "game that can be released at beta and make changes along the way while charging people money."
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 10:03 pm
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"game that can be released at beta and make changes along the way while charging people money."

Dont even try to say that **** isn't happening routinely on consoles now days...
Lusitania
Lusitania Oct 18, 2008 at 10:14 pm
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But console games come with better playability than PC games do.

Naive and untrue.
Rorschach
Rorschach Oct 18, 2008 at 10:17 pm
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I'll take Steam over Xbox Live any day of the week. 
Heldericht
Heldericht Oct 19, 2008 at 4:12 pm
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Umm no, where the hell are you coming up with the 'better playability' argument from? Don't just make arbitrary statements.
Limewire
Limewire Oct 18, 2008 at 10:07 pm
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Dirte
Dirte Oct 18, 2008 at 10:14 pm
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Ya I make some pretty big #2s from time to time.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 10:15 pm
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Word.  My toilet hates me from a post-bar taco bell session last night.  =/
Dirte
Dirte Oct 18, 2008 at 10:35 pm
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Man, I can't eat Taco Bell anymore...just doesn't sit right with me at all :(

Back on subject though, why is it that we are seeing a decline in PC gaming as compared to console gaming?  While each platform has its perks, I believe consoles are much more accessible to the  younger generations.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 10:42 pm
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I think marketing is a part of it.  You can market a 360 or a PS3 but it is much harder to market PC gaming.  With all the manufacturers, hardware vendors, etc.  The only semi-unified front is Games for Windows. 

Piracy is the often used excuse for a decline in sales, and games going multi platform.  PC gaming is a bit more difficult in some aspects.  It isn't quite "insert disk and play" as its console brethren.  It is a bit more "techy" with drivers, hardware configurations, etc. 

There are quite a few factors, but nothing that should prevent a resurgence if the PC industry gets their act together.
dub
dub Oct 18, 2008 at 10:47 pm
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Hardware is cheaper (just compare an average PC to a console, especially Wii) and the mentioned better-with-friends thing.
Rorschach
Rorschach Oct 18, 2008 at 10:59 pm
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You can't really compare hardware costs unless you can figure out some way to measure just the gaming side of a PC's hardware cost.

The PC is much more than a gaming machine, so they hardware costs aren't really compatible.  Your PC can act as a media center, a web browser, a work machine, messaging, email, storage medium, you name it.
dub
dub Oct 18, 2008 at 11:03 pm
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Aren't we talking about gaming? So let's split up PS3 into console, blu-ray player, dvd upscaler, ...

I'd say people owning a gaming PC are much more likely to have a console than the other way around (console fans maybe own a PC for surfing, office, ..)
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 11:09 pm
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I think the point he is making is that the PC is much more valuable overall.  And there are far more PCs in the house than consoles. 

My PC is used for two different jobs among many of those things Rorschach mentions.  How would I then measure its cost and value to the PS3 I use as a blu-ray player and a gaming machine?
dub
dub Oct 18, 2008 at 11:14 pm
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You're right, but bear in mind not everyone has the money to keep PC hardware upgraded to play the newest FPS and own a console.. so when people have to choose I guess more would opt for a console - the point above was: why are PC game sales going down the toilet while consoles are up.
Banewlf
Banewlf Oct 19, 2008 at 1:26 am
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The thing is there is a disconnect between keeping your PC up to date for gaming (which costs large amounts of money compared to a console, even for a generation or two behind on hardware) and it being used for other things such as surfing.

You can spend 100$ on some horrid used emachine on ebay and you will be able to use excel, word, surf, and all of the other typical things. But when you spend 650$ on the latest Graphics card those things dont improve in any real way. So I dont really see how you can justify saying the brunt of the expense on a pc isnt specifically for gaming. What else in your typical PC endeavors benefits from spending large amounts of money on upgrades besides gaming?
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 19, 2008 at 1:41 am
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To think you need spend $650 to play any game is absurd, that is pure excess.  You can run basically anything but crysis on a $100 card right now at varied levels of graphical settings.  The assumption that you have upgrade constantly is quite far off as well.  I have a X1950 Pro, which is now 4 generations old, as a back up benchmarking card and it still runs pretty much everything just fine.

Image and video editing both benefit quite a bit from various hardware upgrades.  Encoding video especially.  Using your PC as a media center is going to benefit from better hardware.  Using your PC as a server also helps having quality hardware.
Hektik
Hektik Oct 19, 2008 at 10:24 am
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I think marketing is a part of it.  You can market a 360 or a PS3 but it is much harder to market PC gaming.  With all the manufacturers, hardware vendors, etc.  The only semi-unified front is Games for Windows. 

Last I checked, the PC market didn't account for online sales in most titles.  (Digital Downloads from places like steam or D2D. Or hell, some of their own websites.) They just include box sales.  Other things I've read, would counter that PC gaming is a lot healthier because of the digital distribution, then the current technology for 'counting' sales would say.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 19, 2008 at 1:36 pm
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Considering the very few digital download services, and the only really successful one being steam, I highly doubt it is able to make up that much ground.
azrailx
azrailx Oct 19, 2008 at 8:05 pm
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direct 2 drive and impulse also, and i think it will make up more of it, i and a majority of my friends buy all my games from such services
Rorschach
Rorschach Oct 18, 2008 at 10:19 pm
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If someone wants to buy me a Core I7 cpu next month I would love you forever.  On board memory controller for the win!
morto
morto Oct 19, 2008 at 4:12 am
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in my opinion is a waste of money. because Core i7 only works with DDR3, both are to expensive and the best games that are coming out in Winter dont need this.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 19, 2008 at 4:37 am
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Triple channel memory is going to be a nice change.  Sure nothing "requires" that kind of hardware yet, but that usually isn't the point. 

If the I7 940 comes in around $550 I may go that route as I can get a X58 review motherboard and some DDR3 to review as well.  Sell of my Q6600 G0, current mobo and ram and I come close to breaking even.
dub
dub Oct 18, 2008 at 10:28 pm
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Your points are right when talking about sitting alone infront of your pc/console.. add in some friends and consoles shine. Personally I can't play FPS on a console, since I'm way too used to mouse/keyboard.. but I'm happy to own both :P

btw: I'm looking for a new gaming PC, any suggestions? Dell XPS looks quite good.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 10:32 pm
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Build it yourself if you have the knowledge.  The XPS machines are pretty solid, and dell does offer fantastic customer service. 

Right, you can't really play PC games with friends at your house, and that is something that will come up in next week's edition.  :)  Though you can play with your people on Steam Friends and on ventrilo, but it isn't quite the same as jamming on Rock Band or Madden with your pals drinking some beers.
dub
dub Oct 18, 2008 at 10:40 pm
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Building myself is not an option, I would rather enjoy building IKEA furniture all day ;\ that leaves Dell I guess, their support is the big plus.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 10:43 pm
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Alienware is nice as well but not worth the price premium vs. a Dell imho.
dub
dub Oct 18, 2008 at 10:51 pm
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I don't need to play Crysis, Far Cry 2 and CoD 5 at once with 15 browsers and Photoshop open, so a $1600 XPS should do the job for a long time.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 10:57 pm
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I reviewed one of the XPS laptops a while back and loved it.  It was basically a desktop replacement (heavy and loaded), but it was sure nice.
Opet
Opet Oct 19, 2008 at 8:58 am
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Never buy an alienware, their customer service is dreadful and the laptops often don't work properly >.
azrailx
azrailx Oct 19, 2008 at 12:31 am
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decent companies you can buy comps from where you chose the parts, such as i buy power.

you can get a decent entry level comp from around $500-$600.
poega
poega Oct 18, 2008 at 10:29 pm
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#1 reason is graphics? are you ******* serious? Number one is obviously 2&3 (they are combined) along with better community support. Graphics are for console nerds.
shindofivezorz
shindofivezorz Oct 18, 2008 at 10:37 pm
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i'd say #3 is big, and #1 is retarded

i play games, not graphics. the best games ever were on the SNES. some of my first games ever like Oregon trail on a mac II, despite being in black/white/random 8bit color, it was the first time i shot and killed something in my life. despite it being a pixel attacking a bear, it was Amazing.

i'd have to agree somewhat that console games don't have a hold on me as much as they use to. nintendo DS is fun partly cause of platformers, but idk, games are boring w/o competition. i wish smash bros wii hadn't turn out to be such a failure for the internet capability.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 10:46 pm
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I value quality graphics.  Not over gameplay by any means.  But if you give me Call of Duty 4 on the 360 or the PC and ask me to pick one I would take the PC one any day thanks to the mouse/keyboard and the fact that it is going to look much better on my quality hardware than on the 360.
shindofivezorz
shindofivezorz Oct 18, 2008 at 10:49 pm
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oh i was unsure if you were the type of person that will buy a $500 video card (while complaining about buying a new console to play a new game) so you can see sparks fly off walls when u shoot at them.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 10:55 pm
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Nope, that isn't me.  Now I do have very nice hardware, don't get me wrong.  Mainly thanks to writing for a hardware site and hook ups within the industry.  I don't think I have ever spent more than $300 on any piece of hardware.  A couple of my hard drives have come close though.
Ghettible
Ghettible Oct 18, 2008 at 11:02 pm
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Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 11:09 pm
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shindofivezorz
shindofivezorz Oct 18, 2008 at 11:16 pm
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i bought a 8800gt vidoe card for $300 from the money i made selling gold, and also a nintendo wii.

selling gold was the best part of World of Warcraft. i wish i had frapsed and made a movie of every time someone traded me 600g (18 times a week, for 15 weeks)
Afgar
Afgar Oct 18, 2008 at 11:46 pm
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"I value quality graphics. Not over gameplay by any means. But if you give me Call of Duty 4 on the 360 or the PC and ask me to pick one I would take the PC one any day thanks to the mouse/keyboard and the fact that it is going to look much better on my quality hardware than on the 360."

But what if it looked better on the 360?

Personally I'd still go PC
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 11:58 pm
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If it looked better, I'd still go PC thanks to mouse/keyboard =p
CrispyDeath
CrispyDeath Oct 18, 2008 at 11:08 pm
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cheaper... and more quality games...

xbox live is a great service as well.
Dyzz
Dyzz Oct 18, 2008 at 11:15 pm
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Yeah xbox live. Lets make you pay for the internet you already have.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 11:33 pm
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Dyzz
Dyzz Oct 18, 2008 at 11:37 pm
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I mean, Xbox live would be awesome if it wasnt a bunch of rehashed **** nobody really wants. I mean come the **** on.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 18, 2008 at 11:41 pm
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For someone who has been playing online pc games for free online since Quake, the thought of paying to play online just annoys the **** out of me.  I realize it isn't expensive, and there is more to the service than just playing online.  It is just the principle of the idea that gets to me.

Like you said, I already pay for my internet, why pay again?
Msth
Msth Oct 19, 2008 at 12:38 am
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Why pay for MMOs while you're at it?
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Oct 19, 2008 at 12:44 am
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Dyzz
Dyzz Oct 19, 2008 at 1:23 am
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the only difference between mmos and regular online gaming is the mmos are WAY bigger in comparison and usually involve huge patches that are sort of expansions in themselves. If a game really interests me and they are going to instantly fix bugs and apply new items etc etc, i dont mind paying a montly fee.

The key is do you feel like your getting what you pay for. For wow? Yes. For Xbox Live? No.
CrispyDeath
CrispyDeath Oct 19, 2008 at 9:51 am
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If a game really interests me and they are going to instantly fix bugs
and apply new items etc etc, i dont mind paying a montly fee.


I hope you're not talking about WoW.

And Xboxlive is like 4 bucks a month.

Have you used xboxlive?  I definitely think that its worth the 4 dollars a month.  I look forward to netflix coming to xboxlive.  I'll at least try that out for a month or two.