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I came back to WoW from Aion about 3 weeks ago. Yeah, I made it to 50. Yeah, I was ******* pumped even with the suicidal tendency-inspiring grind. Then, after about a month of play at 50, I just stopped logging on. It had gotten to the point where I'd rather chop my own dick off than log into that ****hole of a game.
But it's not just Aion. Every other MMO out, and every other MMO that will come out, is going to have you taking a nailgun to your skull, just to make sure you can still FEEL. I ******* guarantee it. And if you dont believe me, George Foreman will drive through your house on a Meineke tricycle.
From a purely design standpoint, Aion wasnt even all that bad. Of the MMOs to come out during the height of WoW's reign, it was arguably the best. The graphics are ******* pretty, the classes are relatively balanced, the pvp is cool....but it suffers from the same fatal flaw as every other MMO out there, other than WoW: there's noone to ******* play it with. You end up standing around in a city for hours on end talking to the same 10 retards, and when you do manage to get up the courage to go world pvp, it takes you 3 hours to find one person.....and they're probably a ******* bot.
People get SUPER ******* pumped for every new MMO that comes out, and after a month of not getting free casual epics, 90% of them leave and go back to WoW. Everyone was CONVINCED there was no way Warhammer Online could possibly be FUBARed, because its near impossible to kill a title with that kind of lore/fame behind it. Then everyone was SURE LotRO and Vanguard were going to be amazing. I think most people played those for about a day. Then of course there was Aion, and we all know how that went.
The sad part is, most of these games look great in theory and in design, but if you're missing the "Massively" part of MMORPG, **** just aint gonna pan out. I'd like to say that a game like The Old Republic will be able to steal subscribers from WoW, due to its Star Wars theme and that its being developed by possibly the only company more baller than Blizzard, Bioware, but I wouldnt bet money on it. WoW just has too much of a stranglehold on the genre. You name it, WoW has probably done it better, and easier for casuals.
At this point, the only MMO that could know WoW off of its throne would be **** *****es Online. The sole goal of this MMO would be, true to its namesake, to **** as many *****es as possible. Raids are done on various *****houses in order to obtain phat loot to upgrade your dick. The final raid zone of the initial release would be the Playboy mansion. The game would come with an interactive and lifelike ****** peripheral (with optional strap-on for all you lady gamers), which would plug into one of your usb ports. **** your way to level 80.
Other than that, I dunno what to tell you. WoW ****** up MMOs for all eternity.
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daays Feb 9, 2010 at 2:09 pm
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There always comes something that will change the game forever.
It's just bound to happen. That's life.
But WoW didn't **** up MMO's forever. They just raised the bar. Just look at WAR, AoC, and Aion and what they had upon release. Then compare them to what WoW had. You'll see that the closest contender is WAR, and even WAR had less content available upon release compared to WoW. And you wonder why they fail? Hell, Aion had like 1/5 of what WoW had 1 year later.
WoW changed the way people view MMO's. They now want an entertaining leveling system with quests, not just grind 100,000 mobs here. Next zone. Grind 100,000 mobs. Next zone.
They want instances to run on the way up. They want open PvP. They want BGs. They want end-game ready content (WoW had Ony and MC ready upon release). They want a meaningful crafting system. They want fluid game play. Can keep going, but you get the idea.
WAR came close, it hit almost all these marks. The game even improved on some aspects that WoW had, but in the end, it failed. Mainly because their main pull, the Castle sieges, were poorly thought out and the game was extremely clunky. Add in the coding errors and you see why many people left.
You don't have to do something different. You just need solid implementation. None of the new MMO's had that. Not one. Every single one had huge bugs affecting not only general game play, but their main aspect of the game as well.
It's just bound to happen. That's life.
But WoW didn't **** up MMO's forever. They just raised the bar. Just look at WAR, AoC, and Aion and what they had upon release. Then compare them to what WoW had. You'll see that the closest contender is WAR, and even WAR had less content available upon release compared to WoW. And you wonder why they fail? Hell, Aion had like 1/5 of what WoW had 1 year later.
WoW changed the way people view MMO's. They now want an entertaining leveling system with quests, not just grind 100,000 mobs here. Next zone. Grind 100,000 mobs. Next zone.
They want instances to run on the way up. They want open PvP. They want BGs. They want end-game ready content (WoW had Ony and MC ready upon release). They want a meaningful crafting system. They want fluid game play. Can keep going, but you get the idea.
WAR came close, it hit almost all these marks. The game even improved on some aspects that WoW had, but in the end, it failed. Mainly because their main pull, the Castle sieges, were poorly thought out and the game was extremely clunky. Add in the coding errors and you see why many people left.
You don't have to do something different. You just need solid implementation. None of the new MMO's had that. Not one. Every single one had huge bugs affecting not only general game play, but their main aspect of the game as well.
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Voyle Feb 9, 2010 at 2:11 pm
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WoW is self sustaining because everyone and their mothers knows what WoW is. People who don't know what "mmo" is know what WoW is. People think WoW was the first and is the only mmo game, but if bioware doesn't let lucasarts **** with TOR it's going to be massively successful. There is really no reason a license like warcraft should be more popular than star wars, SWG had more people following it pre launch than WoW did, and if Sony Online Entertainment actually give 2 ****s about quality > quantity (new mmo every month sup) it would have probably been "the" MMO. WoW simply was a solid, addicting and casual-friendly game, like the call of duty games, which I believe mmo developers are finally coming to realize... The problem is, every new game is a wowclone with different graphics and a lot less people. The only reason gamers have to look at them is because they're bored with wow, but once they realize it's just the same **** they flock back.
TOR is the first mmo that looks considerably different, yet built on the same foundations that made WoW popular. Even better, it appeals to people who actually want to play a video game with their MMO, anyone who enjoyed any of biowares legendary RPGs will play TOR at least for the character storylines.
TOR is the first mmo that looks considerably different, yet built on the same foundations that made WoW popular. Even better, it appeals to people who actually want to play a video game with their MMO, anyone who enjoyed any of biowares legendary RPGs will play TOR at least for the character storylines.
frostitute Feb 9, 2010 at 11:13 pm
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TOR is the first mmo that looks considerably different, yet built on the same foundations that made WoW popular. Even better, it appeals to people who actually want to play a video game with their MMO, anyone who enjoyed any of biowares legendary RPGs will play TOR at least for the character storylines.
I like Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age and that Star Wars game from Bioware. Their quests are different from WoW. In WoW, there is only 1 way to do a quest, you always have to play the good guy. In Bioware games you can choose the evil way to solve quests and get different rewards. In WoW all I enjoyed was PvP, I hated PvE. Of course WoW has the best control system so that helps make the PvP more fun.
Those 3 Bioware games I mentionned have a serious story, and the characters have a serious, bloody appearance to make the story believable. But TOR has very retarded looking graphics, it's the first time I dislike graphics that much. I liked Baldur's Gate II's graphics because for their time, they were good. And the characters are well-proportioned and don't have retarded running animations.
So I think graphics are important, because face it, a lot of people (millions in fact) buy a game based on the graphics, and whether they play it long-term or not is based on the gameplay. That's why Aion had a very successful launch. Heck even hardcore PvPers from WoW like Veex and Serennia were drawn by Aion's looks, those guys did not play the other new MMOs to my knowledge.
For a game released in 2011, I don't think it's too much to ask that TOR has graphics on par with Aion (2008 release). Bioware certainly has the technology to make pretty graphics. Dragon Age looks great even on medium settings on my PC built in 2006 (7800 GT video card, single core, 2GB RAM) with the screen full of enemies.
I like Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age and that Star Wars game from Bioware. Their quests are different from WoW. In WoW, there is only 1 way to do a quest, you always have to play the good guy. In Bioware games you can choose the evil way to solve quests and get different rewards. In WoW all I enjoyed was PvP, I hated PvE. Of course WoW has the best control system so that helps make the PvP more fun.
Those 3 Bioware games I mentionned have a serious story, and the characters have a serious, bloody appearance to make the story believable. But TOR has very retarded looking graphics, it's the first time I dislike graphics that much. I liked Baldur's Gate II's graphics because for their time, they were good. And the characters are well-proportioned and don't have retarded running animations.
So I think graphics are important, because face it, a lot of people (millions in fact) buy a game based on the graphics, and whether they play it long-term or not is based on the gameplay. That's why Aion had a very successful launch. Heck even hardcore PvPers from WoW like Veex and Serennia were drawn by Aion's looks, those guys did not play the other new MMOs to my knowledge.
For a game released in 2011, I don't think it's too much to ask that TOR has graphics on par with Aion (2008 release). Bioware certainly has the technology to make pretty graphics. Dragon Age looks great even on medium settings on my PC built in 2006 (7800 GT video card, single core, 2GB RAM) with the screen full of enemies.
Fluffyncute Feb 9, 2010 at 2:37 pm
+2 votes
Before WoW came out. I played EQ day in and day out. I would constantly want to be the best tank there ever was and be renowned on the server by my pve skillz (ROFL). When WoW first came out i just didnt care because i thought it would be another MMO that will die off to all americans (hello FFXI). When the game didnt die a year later, i gave it a try and WOW is all i had to say. The game had so much depth that it was near impossible to grind everything in this game. There was always something to do. The most i did in EQ was run around in the city looking for xyz groups or dueling. When i got my first taste in wow pvp, i was a level 13 tauren warrior on a pve server and at that time it was before all the dam twinks n crap. I felt like a god. Nothing in EQ/EQOA/FFXI/SWG/etc ever gave me that same burst of energy....and this was at level 13. Skip now 4-5 years later. WoW is a contender for an e-sport and there is now competition. No other MMO will ever beat WoW unless they can make it competitive as well as keep high end inventive PVE. WoW IS the metaknight of MMO's.
Mizenboom Feb 9, 2010 at 3:12 pm
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I laughed out loud at this post. Thanks for that. Great job.
Squarepusher Feb 9, 2010 at 3:41 pm
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You have no clue what so ever about what you're talking about.
This blog is a complete waste.
This blog is a complete waste.
BillyOreilly Feb 9, 2010 at 4:26 pm
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Squarepusher said
You have no clue what so ever about what you're talking about.
This blog is a complete waste.
This blog is a complete waste.
Squarepusher Feb 9, 2010 at 6:42 pm
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BillyOreilly said
Yes, having played WoW since release at top 10 level, Aion as the top ranked pvper on server, Asheron's Call Darktide, EQ, Warhammer, and Vanguard gives me zero perspective, or clue as to what I'm talking about. If you've got a point, make it, idiot.
I've played practically every single hyped mmorpg, none of them EVER suffered the problem of not being able to find people to play with or world pvp, the problem was ALWAYS design.
Horrible game mechanics that deterred people from the game if not consciously but subconsciously through just really bad design. A lot of people picked up WAR on its lack of longevity though its content VERY early on, and you had blogs about it.
Aion had terible design like, arial combat sounding more fun than it was for the avrage player, stupid **** like incapacitating characters after casts, random complete spell interrupts on attacks, not enough control over the combat through abilities for a lot of the classes, the grind was certainly a factor, I could go on for ages...
On almost every mmorpg I could go into detail with huge lists of what it is that made the game less intuitive to play... a badly made system for interfacing (letting the user to interract with a game), thus deterring users from playing it. And basic flaws in things like longevity.
I don't want to make the point because you only make one and you seem to think it's that simple, whilst if I have to make a point it would take HOURS if I can only pick one specific point, and what I just wrote up is a fraction of a hint towards one of the points that make mmorpgs fail.
Even if the lack of players would be a problem, that in itself is a side-effect generated by a badly designed game, so it's still 100% design problem- just because developers arent good enough to create games under a new standard set by WoW doesnt excuse the fact that people leave because of bad design.
Squarepusher Feb 10, 2010 at 3:36 pm
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ckf said
Now if only you had posted this instead of your OP...
BillyOreilly Feb 10, 2010 at 4:05 pm
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Squarepusher said
It wouldnt have been a tenth as fun.
Squarepusher Feb 10, 2010 at 4:08 pm
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BillyOreilly said
Talk about having no clue what you're talking about.
Since judging from your first post, as it's completely void of anything thought through or valuable in its content, so it's most likely what I would get out of you if I'd try with reason.
BillyOreilly Feb 10, 2010 at 6:11 pm
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Squarepusher said
And now you know why I was reluctant to posting something with substance.
Since judging from your first post, as it's completely void of anything thought through or valuable in its content, so it's most likely what I would get out of you if I'd try with reason.
Since judging from your first post, as it's completely void of anything thought through or valuable in its content, so it's most likely what I would get out of you if I'd try with reason.
2) you suck at trolling
Squarepusher Feb 10, 2010 at 6:34 pm
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BillyOreilly said
1) it's devoid
2) you suck at trolling
2) you suck at trolling
Just replying with useless empty rhetoric like you're doing now with the last couple of replies, practically admits to trolling openly- you've achieved nothing when you've openly convinced someone that you're trolling.
You did well writing that long ass blog post, and with your first reply to me, but you can't just let yourself go- you need to build on what you have, not just ride it out like a lazy nerd.
1) no, it's void, but I don't blame you for not knowing your own main language
2) the problem is on your part, your misconceptions due to your stupidity is nothing I'm going to take responsibility for
BillyOreilly Feb 10, 2010 at 7:31 pm
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Squarepusher said
I'll give you a few tips, if you're going to troll then you should atleast give your opponent SOMETHING to make them doubt if your intentions are just trolling or if they're actually honest.
Just replying with useless empty rhetoric like you're doing now with the last couple of replies, practically admits to trolling openly- you've achieved nothing when you've openly convinced someone that you're trolling.
You did well writing that long ass blog post, and with your first reply to me, but you can't just let yourself go- you need to build on what you have, not just ride it out like a lazy nerd.
1) no, it's void, but I don't blame you for not knowing your own main language
2) the problem is on your part, your misconceptions due to your stupidity is nothing I'm going to take responsibility for
Just replying with useless empty rhetoric like you're doing now with the last couple of replies, practically admits to trolling openly- you've achieved nothing when you've openly convinced someone that you're trolling.
You did well writing that long ass blog post, and with your first reply to me, but you can't just let yourself go- you need to build on what you have, not just ride it out like a lazy nerd.
1) no, it's void, but I don't blame you for not knowing your own main language
2) the problem is on your part, your misconceptions due to your stupidity is nothing I'm going to take responsibility for
Squarepusher Feb 10, 2010 at 7:37 pm
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BillyOreilly said
Sick reply. Too bad it's still "devoid" not "void"
void
-adjective
1. Law. having no legal force or effect; not legally binding or enforceable.
2. useless; ineffectual; vain.
3. devoid; destitute (usually fol. by of): a life void of meaning.
4. without contents; empty.
5. without an incumbent, as an office.
6. Mathematics. (of a set) empty.
7. (in cards) having no cards in a suit.
-noun
8. an empty space; emptiness: He disappeared into the void.
9. something experienced as a loss or privation: His death left a great void in her life.
10. a gap or opening, as in a wall.
11. a vacancy; vacuum.
12. Typography. counter 3 (def. 10).
13. (in cards) lack of cards in a suit: a void in clubs.
-verb (used with object)
14. to make ineffectual; invalidate; nullify: to void a check.
15. to empty; discharge; evacuate: to void excrement.
16. to clear or empty (often fol. by of): to void a chamber of occupants.
17. Archaic. to depart from; vacate.
TL;DR: You are not a very intelligent person.
BillyOreilly Feb 10, 2010 at 7:47 pm
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"Since judging from your first post, as it's completely void of anything thought through or valuable in its content, so it's most likely what I would get out of you if I'd try with reason."
translation:
Void-
Since judging from your first post, as it's completely (useless, ineffectual, vain) of anything thought through or valuable in its content......
Devoid-
Since judging from your first post, as it's completely (completely lacking) anything thought through or valuable in its content......
You see sir, it was quite obvious what you were trying to say, but the word devoid is far more appropriate when used in that sentence. For it is not "useless or ineffectual" of something, it is "lacking" of something. Welcome to the department of redundancy department. It is commonplace for simpletons as yourself to make this mistake. Continue your trolling elsewhere.
I'm sure Johns Hopkins University hands out master's degrees to "not very intelligent" people.
translation:
Void-
Since judging from your first post, as it's completely (useless, ineffectual, vain) of anything thought through or valuable in its content......
Devoid-
Since judging from your first post, as it's completely (completely lacking) anything thought through or valuable in its content......
You see sir, it was quite obvious what you were trying to say, but the word devoid is far more appropriate when used in that sentence. For it is not "useless or ineffectual" of something, it is "lacking" of something. Welcome to the department of redundancy department. It is commonplace for simpletons as yourself to make this mistake. Continue your trolling elsewhere.
I'm sure Johns Hopkins University hands out master's degrees to "not very intelligent" people.
Squarepusher Feb 10, 2010 at 8:07 pm
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Your reply is incredibly funny when you take into consideration that devoid is actually listed as a definition of the word void, with an example showing exactly how I used the word in my sentence.
Especially when you go on using rhetoric like simpleton and flashing a master's degree.
Congratulations on learning how to sit and roll over to get through the education system, I'm sure you're proud of your ability to memorize and show a hint of dedication... but sadly for you these are only minor parts of what makes an individual intelligent by my standards, and judging by these incredibly obvious... "mistakes" you're making, you present a strong case for yourself being complete void of anything besides these formentioned abilities. (cwidt?)
Please continue your trolling, it is most amusing.
Especially when you go on using rhetoric like simpleton and flashing a master's degree.
Congratulations on learning how to sit and roll over to get through the education system, I'm sure you're proud of your ability to memorize and show a hint of dedication... but sadly for you these are only minor parts of what makes an individual intelligent by my standards, and judging by these incredibly obvious... "mistakes" you're making, you present a strong case for yourself being complete void of anything besides these formentioned abilities. (cwidt?)
Please continue your trolling, it is most amusing.
BillyOreilly Feb 10, 2010 at 8:16 pm
+1 votes
Squarepusher said
Your reply is incredibly funny when you take into consideration that devoid is actually listed as a definition of the word void, with an example showing exactly how I used the word in my sentence.
Especially when you go on using rhetoric like simpleton and flashing a master's degree.
Congratulations on learning how to sit and roll over to get through the education system, I'm sure you're proud of your ability to memorize and show a hint of dedication... but sadly for you these are only minor parts of what makes an individual intelligent by my standards, and judging by these incredibly obvious... "mistakes" you're making, you present a strong case for yourself being complete void of anything besides these formentioned abilities. (cwidt?)
Please continue your trolling, it is most amusing.
Especially when you go on using rhetoric like simpleton and flashing a master's degree.
Congratulations on learning how to sit and roll over to get through the education system, I'm sure you're proud of your ability to memorize and show a hint of dedication... but sadly for you these are only minor parts of what makes an individual intelligent by my standards, and judging by these incredibly obvious... "mistakes" you're making, you present a strong case for yourself being complete void of anything besides these formentioned abilities. (cwidt?)
Please continue your trolling, it is most amusing.
Squarepusher Feb 10, 2010 at 8:37 pm
+1 votes
BillyOreilly said
Sorry, I should have realized you'd value a 142 IQ far more than a degree. Oh, whaddya know, that's what mine is recorded as. It's pretty clear you still do not grasp the concept of context. I suppose I'm wasting my breath. Enjoy your trolling.
Talking about not grasping the concept of context, isnt it pretty clear cut that this is your very own stigma in this discussion? I mean, the 3rd listed definition of the word in question clearly justifies my use of the word to practically any extent necessary, and your claim that it's ""devoid" and not "void"" is flat out wrong and the evidence is as strong as anyone would ever need.
And my arguments for your stupidity lies partly within the fact that even though you are wrong, I could still argue your case to myself better, because I'm simply much more capable of grasping the concept of practically any aspect of this conversation than you so obviously are.
But I'm enjoying your trolling, keep up the good work.
poega Feb 11, 2010 at 7:15 am
+0 votes
The thing is that everything uve said in this blog+ your extensive comments has been said before by millions of people in the ages of 10-100, generally with a greater insight and less worthless bull**** than the content of this blog.
rakka Feb 9, 2010 at 4:08 pm
+1 votes
You posted this on WoWriot, to people who already realized Aion was ****ty and quit a long time ago. Nice one.
BillyOreilly Feb 9, 2010 at 4:28 pm
+1 votes
rakka said
You posted this on WoWriot, to people who already realized Aion was ****ty and quit a long time ago. Nice one.
rakka Feb 9, 2010 at 5:41 pm
-1 votes
BillyOreilly said
I'm well aware people realized Aion wasnt fun for them and quit long ago. But half the reason the game "sucked" had nothing to do with the game itself.
frostitute Feb 9, 2010 at 11:16 pm
+2 votes
I saw my friend try to level his mining in Aion. The minerals float in the air, so you have to activate your wings and fly to gather them. It takes at least 5 successful mining to raise skill 142 to 143. And you have to wait a few minutes between attempts to recharge your flight battery.
I can understand that group PvPing in Aion is fun, but I don't like how they made a simple thing like mining so unenjoyable.
I can understand that group PvPing in Aion is fun, but I don't like how they made a simple thing like mining so unenjoyable.
frostitute Feb 9, 2010 at 10:51 pm
+1 votes
but it suffers from the same fatal flaw as every other MMO out there, other than WoW: there's noone to ******* play it with.
Good blog. I never played Aion but a RL friend who played arena with me quit WoW for it. He's only level 35 in Aion so I can't see the whole picture from his toon. I'm really surprised that there is a shortage of players to mess with in Aion. I thought they sold over a million copies with insane server queues.
BTW are you brokomotiv the guy who made fun of Serennia's toon on Aion forums?
Good blog. I never played Aion but a RL friend who played arena with me quit WoW for it. He's only level 35 in Aion so I can't see the whole picture from his toon. I'm really surprised that there is a shortage of players to mess with in Aion. I thought they sold over a million copies with insane server queues.
BTW are you brokomotiv the guy who made fun of Serennia's toon on Aion forums?
BillyOreilly Feb 9, 2010 at 11:14 pm
+2 votes
frostitute said
but it suffers from the same fatal flaw as every other MMO out there, other than WoW: there's noone to ******* play it with.
Good blog. I never played Aion but a RL friend who played arena with me quit WoW for it. He's only level 35 in Aion so I can't see the whole picture from his toon. I'm really surprised that there is a shortage of players to mess with in Aion. I thought they sold over a million copies with insane server queues.
BTW are you brokomotiv the guy who made fun of Serennia's toon on Aion forums?
Good blog. I never played Aion but a RL friend who played arena with me quit WoW for it. He's only level 35 in Aion so I can't see the whole picture from his toon. I'm really surprised that there is a shortage of players to mess with in Aion. I thought they sold over a million copies with insane server queues.
BTW are you brokomotiv the guy who made fun of Serennia's toon on Aion forums?
Myself and other Cadia members are in the process of compiling a full list of "evidence" and chat logs, voicemails, assorted drama materials to be posted in a full blog exposè here in the coming weeks. I promise you, it will be quite a doosie.
frostitute Feb 9, 2010 at 10:56 pm
+1 votes
What do you guys think of The Old Republic? I like Bioware's games, but TOR has the ****tiest graphics I ever seen. The running animations look completely retarded, the toon looks constipated. The bodies are way out of proportions, and they have a blocky look.
I don't mind WoW's graphics, because back in 2004 they looked good. But for a 2011 game, TOR looks terrible.
I don't mind WoW's graphics, because back in 2004 they looked good. But for a 2011 game, TOR looks terrible.
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