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by Oozo, Level 31
Last updated at August 9, 2008, 11:31 am

These are the two "stealth" classes in Warhammer.  They both have a limited stealth capability which is intended to let them sneak behind the enemy lines and wreak havoc amongst the lower-armored support classes in the rear.

I'm not going to break NDA and discuss specific class mechanics here, so we will leave that for a later discussion.  My intention is to examine whether the witch elf being a female-only class will effect the population balance between witch elves and witch hunters.

Fact is, most gamers are guys and quite a few guys refuse to play female characters.  Now, of course, there are some guys who do play them because they actually appreciate the way they wiggle when they kill someone.  Steve (let's call him) a few nights ago uttered this gem of a quote over vent.

"That's right.  Give it to them you filthy little *****."

We are worried about Steve...  and the children that might live in his neighborhood.  So, yes.  There are perverts, like Steve, that will play a female toon.

There are also those (typically your more hardcore PvPers), that will use a female toon because it, traditionally, offers a smaller target... looking for every advantage they can get.  But, that really doesn't make a significant difference in a tab targetting game like Warhammer.  Nonetheless, many of these players have grown so used to using female toons in other games that it might carry over into Warhmmer.  But, will there be enough of them?

So, what's the problem then?  Well, the problem is that I've never heard some guy say something like, "WTF? Roll a male toon?  That's GAY."  But, I have heard the opposite, many times.  From my personal experience, I think people who like the rogue archtypes are more likely to cross-dress than the other archtypes.  However, I don't think there will be enough of them and that it will cause a population inbalance issue between witch hunters and witch elves.  In turn, that will make life much easier for Order support classes than Destruction support classes.

So, what do you think?  Do you think that the witch elf being female-only will cause a population inbalance in the stealth classes? 

 

     
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faction
faction Aug 9, 2008 at 11:36 am
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i thought the problem was guys rolling too many female characters
Oozo
Oozo Aug 9, 2008 at 11:51 am
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Really?  That's not the impression I get, but... I could be totally wrong and stuff.  That's why I'd like to hear opinions. 
THX 4 URS
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Xantim Aug 9, 2008 at 11:46 am
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Well, the problem is that I've never heard some guy say something like, "WTF? Roll a male toon?  That's GAY."

Male Night Elves?
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Oozo Aug 9, 2008 at 11:52 am
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Good point, I HAVE heard:  "WTF?  Roll a NE male toon?  That's GAY."

But, the NE is a crucial part of that.  :P
bloatation
bloatation Aug 9, 2008 at 11:58 am
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"Fact is, most gamers are guys and quite a few guys refuse to play female characters."  like who?
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nittany Aug 9, 2008 at 12:07 pm
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The problem is warhammer plays like AV and that is the only content it has especially since there is only one end game (tier 4) zone.  While it is pvp from the ground up it will have huge problems with balancing rvr larger scale pvp with smaller scale scernarios. 

I see warhammer being a successful game, much better then aoc and since i'm in beta and played aoc and wow I have an idea of what i'm talking about.  However, when I got into beta I was so excited and the more I played the less I am.
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Bethryn Aug 9, 2008 at 12:52 pm
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I think the problem is more likely to be related to the fact that for quite some time now, the more 'evil' races have carried the appeal. Can't find the survey, but it's looking like the forces of Order are facing a 20% population against the Destruction forces' 80%. And I'm guessing that the greenskins are going to get a lot of players since they are - gasp - funny as hell: if the gameplay isn't lame (because of this), I'll certainly be playing a gobbo.

I expect the, "I won't play a fe/male character ever," will come into it, but not as much as the race/faction issue will.
Oozo
Oozo Aug 9, 2008 at 4:45 pm
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The greenskin voice emotes are the best.  Funny as hell for sure.
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Evidence Aug 9, 2008 at 1:48 pm
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I think if people want to play the rogue class, and want to play destruction, they'll play Witch Elf whether it's male, female, or tranny.  The REAL reason people won't play Witch Elf is that it's kind of useless in group pvp.
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Sciar Aug 9, 2008 at 2:21 pm
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I've had like 4-5 friends now mention that a witch hunter looks way too gay for them to play it. They haven't even mentioned witch elfs. I'd say the top hat and moustache are going to provide a larger barrier than breasts. As we all know guys can adapt quite well to boobs.
Oozo
Oozo Aug 9, 2008 at 4:42 pm
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Hold on here.  Are you saying that VAN HELSING looks gay?

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Kate Beckinsale thinks to herself, "God, this guy looks gay."

Hrm, on second thought I guess Witch Hunters do look a bit gay.
Sciar
Sciar Aug 9, 2008 at 7:44 pm
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Top hat and handlebar moustache are enough for me to play a character, but not everyone has this level of manliness.
sisyphean
sisyphean Aug 9, 2008 at 10:53 pm
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I sometimes use a female toon if I need to pick a specific race for balance or faction reasons, but just hate the animations, voice, and looks of the male - I.E. Alliance rogues in WoW. My overriding priorities are PvP utility, then the competence of the artwork/sound/animation for that character - not necessarily the attractiveness.

As for WAR, I have no clue. I've been speculating about population after launch but I just don't feel confident in whether there will be a big order bump when the more casual masses come in, or if class balance will push more people to one side or the other (say if the Squig Herder is the better/worse pet class due to range), or if Order will just be getting steamrolled a lot. My instinct is that if people really want to play destruction and really want to play a stealth class, they won't care too much about the Witch Elf being female.
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Veralis Aug 9, 2008 at 11:08 pm
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Agreed about alliance rogues. The look of human male and most of the animations are so terrible, I had to roll a fem.
Ches
Ches Aug 15, 2008 at 4:01 pm
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LOLOLOL Nice try to defend your gayness you ******* gay ***
Conradical
Conradical Aug 9, 2008 at 11:20 pm
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"That's right. Give it to them you filthy little *****."

LOL
Joliiz
Joliiz Aug 9, 2008 at 11:24 pm
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If you're a guy and prefer guys, that does make you gay.
Ches
Ches Aug 15, 2008 at 4:02 pm
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Xevv
Xevv Aug 17, 2008 at 8:37 pm
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I think more along the lines of lack of a female tank class for destruction

and the "pretty" empire race having both sex options for everything.

Witch Hunter vs Witch elf prbly isnt going to be a issue IMO.

-islandsnake o.0
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