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by Noise, Level 9
Last updated at August 11, 2009, 6:26 am
8 years later and we are still in Iraq. Plans to leave? Check. Public confirmation of such plans? Check. Political figures promising change? Check. Fun fact of the day? July 2009 was the deadliest month for American soldiers since we began our quest for nationwide obedience in 2001. But mothers take heart, fathers fear not, for these lives are going to a good cause. Let's just swipe all this under the rug, call it God's work, and be done with it, shall we?

Unfortunately, not everyone is a religion lobbyist. In fact, over the years more and more people have declared themselves as independent from any specific faith or religion. However, because it has become such a staple characteristic, to publicly announce your atheistic views would be political suicide, and rightfully so. We can't have some church stomping, science loving, communist running our country. We have to stick to our guns, honor our predecessors, and blast away anyone and anything that tries to tell us otherwise.

For example, here is what our military personal has to say about the current situation.

"It's a very aggressive enemy right now," McChrystal told the newspaper in the interview Saturday at his office in Kabul, Afghanistan. "We've got to stop their momentum, stop their initiative. It's hard work."

Yup, you heard him. The enemy is exceedingly aggressive right now. So aggressive, that they have begun fighting back when we paraded on into their country claiming we owned the place. So aggressive that they are firing back at our soldiers. We must stop them, at all costs. So aggressive that they are killing our innocent soldiers. INNOCENT. SOLDIERS. Thank God all of this is being done for a good cause. Now, if you could please just remind me what that cause was again....?

Oh, right, we never heard one.

Just so I'm clear, let's recap a couple things. We decide terrorism on America is that big of a threat. We conclude the country with the greatest chance of bombing our **** is Afghanastan. We spend millions of dollars to upgrade our already perfect war technology. We search every major camp we can, in hopes of finding lethal war technology - none is found. We continue fighting and searching, loosing soldiers, gaining nothing but continued support to fuel the progression of our military forces. More money spent, more soldiers dead. More land covered, nothing discovered. Now it's 2009, and we are loosing the most soliders we've ever lost to this "war" and yet we still find reasons to continue fighting. Why? Because they are the enemy, and they must be stopped. Like McCrystal said, " It's hard work."

Here's the irony. If any other country did what we are doing to Afghanastan, to us, World War III would commence. Why? Because we don't handle things very well. In fact, I'd call America the kid in your class you aren't quite sure about, because he always sits in the back with his hood up and his face in his gameboy. Wanna know what game we're playing? Grand Theft Auto for GameBoy Advanced, and according to Dr. Phil, Oprah, and a whole lot of suburban mom's, that means violence. That means if you are walking down the sidewalk, we're gonna run you over with a stolen car, use the body as leverage to gain control of the city, and then sell it all to a drug cartel for enough money to buy a plane for 1,300,000,00 dollars. Oh yeah, can't forget the clever name - B2 Spirit. I wonder which department came up with that one.

Unfortunately, we don't get to know a lot of the details. In fact, it's been confirmed that a lot of the details we do hear, aren't really details at all. They are cleverly written sentences by college graduate students who get paid 6 figure salaries to keep the country believing we are the good guys. And, as uneducated citizens, we hear the "facts" and watch the videos, and tell ourselves we are safe and sound here in the land of the free.

Well, kinda free. We have a freedom of religion, except being an athiest is socially unacceptable. We have freedom of speech, unless you are speaking your mind about politics or religion, in which case you are not free to speak. We force employers to be "equal opportunity employers" except we also have these guys called lawyers who know how to write sneaky little sentences that let places like Hooters hold high employment standards. We have a health care system. Does it work? Nope. The list goes on and on, we just seem to have perfected our ability to keep the public uninformed.

Timetable for leaving Iraq? At this rate, never.
     
54 comments
Nabukun
Nabukun Aug 11, 2009 at 6:42 am
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This should really be in the forums.
Vir
Vir Aug 11, 2009 at 9:42 am
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Nah **** that, it's time for some political discussion on the front page!
Bronxie
Bronxie Aug 11, 2009 at 6:51 am
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NO ONE CARES NERD, WRONG PLACE.
Korgathishere
Korgathishere Aug 11, 2009 at 6:54 am
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Hello typical retarded leftist. Way to bring your also typical immature militant anti-Christian hatred into a topic which has nothing to do with the Christian religion... I suggest if you're going to publicly weigh in on an extremely important subject such as a war and national security, you might want to do just a little bit of research first. And no, watching CNN and MSNBC isn't "research". It's leftist defeatist indoctrination full of misinformation, political bias and God awful reporting. You know the Western world is in serious trouble when it can't even maintain support for a war as clearly justified and globally supported as the Afghanistan conflict is, where savage imperialist islamists suicide bomb schools, throw acid in schoolgirls faces and behead children, and are extremely unpopular with and hated by the local population. Do the Afghan and Pakastan people a favor and preoccupy yourself with saving the worlds oceans by not flushing your toilets every time you take a piss and saving the trees by using your hand to wipe your ass. Let the real men and grown up smart people concentrate on national security. K thx.

PS. Here's a list of some retarded anti-science Christians:

-Copernicus
-Sir Francis Bacon
-Jahannes Keppler
-Galileo Galillei
-Descartes
-Sir Issac Newton
-Boyle
-Faraday
-Mendel
-Kelvin
-Planck
-Etc

LOLZ CREATIONIST FLAT-EARTHER RETARDS!!!1

Some more interesting facts:

-At most there's 20,000 taliban. It's probably a lot less than that.
-Most Afghans hate the taliban
-Most Afghans support foreign troops being in their country (unlike Iraq).
-Coalition troop morale is extremely high despite what the liberal media tells you.
-The military leaders who miracously turned Iraq around and gripped victory from defeat are now focused on Afghanistan. These are extemely intelligent and competent military commanders.
-Afghans love democracy. Over 80% show up to vote in elections. That's about 30% more than Americans.
-The majority of Afghans apporve of their president unlike our own president.
-Kill yourself ignorant liberal twat.
Narcissos
Narcissos Aug 11, 2009 at 7:29 am
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Smart people should cite some sources or stfu ^^
Guidor
Guidor Aug 11, 2009 at 8:42 am
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I love you Korgathishere. And by that I mean I completely agree. The Afghanistan war isn't some ******* conspiracy theory made by those controlling christian fanatics who you hate just because it's cool to, Afghanistan was in dire need of intervention, the Taliban used to have control over their capital city (kabul) and ruled the country under strict sharia law.
Yes, that's the sort of law that gives the punishment of the death penalty for sodomy. Check this out: "In instances of rape some authorities of Sharia law require for an
allegation to be validated, victims must have four Muslim-Male
witnesses to the crime or else the victims risk being charged with
fornication or adultery." Yep. Unless you have 4 men watching you get raped that are willing to testify that it happened, you're a fornicator. And I'm not even going to bother looking up the punishment for that.

Wow, the country you live in is so ****** up for going and helping out another country with far worse problems than your own. Maybe you will lose a couple of votes from christian people if you say you're an atheist. I think it'd be better than denouncing mohammed and being shot though, don't you reckon?

"Now, if you could please just remind me what that cause was again....?

Oh, right, we never heard one."
Darkq
Darkq Aug 11, 2009 at 11:19 am
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Guidor said
I love you Korgathishere. And by that I mean I completely agree. The Afghanistan war isn't some ******* conspiracy theory made by those controlling christian fanatics who you hate just because it's cool to, Afghanistan was in dire need of intervention, the Taliban used to have control over their capital city (kabul) and ruled the country under strict sharia law.
Yes, that's the sort of law that gives the punishment of the death penalty for sodomy. Check this out: "In instances of rape some authorities of Sharia law require for an
allegation to be validated, victims must have four Muslim-Male
witnesses to the crime or else the victims risk being charged with
fornication or adultery." Yep. Unless you have 4 men watching you get raped that are willing to testify that it happened, you're a fornicator. And I'm not even going to bother looking up the punishment for that.

Wow, the country you live in is so ****** up for going and helping out another country with far worse problems than your own. Maybe you will lose a couple of votes from christian people if you say you're an atheist. I think it'd be better than denouncing mohammed and being shot though, don't you reckon?

"Now, if you could please just remind me what that cause was again....?

Oh, right, we never heard one."
Quick better get in their and give them freedom.. while you at it, mind swining by like 50 other countries?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYvwDz19ZlA
Sleek
Sleek Aug 11, 2009 at 8:51 am
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PS. Here's a list of some retarded anti-science Christians:

-Copernicus
-Sir Francis Bacon
-Jahannes Keppler
-Galileo Galillei
-Descartes
-Sir Issac Newton
-Boyle
-Faraday
-Mendel
-Kelvin
-Planck
-Etc

LOLZ CREATIONIST FLAT-EARTHER RETARDS!!!1

No they weren't retarded for believing that because they all lived in the ******* 1400-1800's.  People can't really use that excuse any more though...
Trusted
Trusted Aug 11, 2009 at 12:14 pm
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Sleek said
PS. Here's a list of some retarded anti-science Christians:

-Copernicus
-Sir Francis Bacon
-Jahannes Keppler
-Galileo Galillei
-Descartes
-Sir Issac Newton
-Boyle
-Faraday
-Mendel
-Kelvin
-Planck
-Etc

LOLZ CREATIONIST FLAT-EARTHER RETARDS!!!1

No they weren't retarded for believing that because they all lived in the ******* 1400-1800's.  People can't really use that excuse any more though...
Descartes was a genius even by todays standards. Mother****** was amazing.
Klynx
Klynx Aug 11, 2009 at 1:16 pm
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Trusted said
Descartes was a genius even by todays standards. Mother****** was amazing.
Too introspective :-p
Gumbot
Gumbot Aug 11, 2009 at 2:03 pm
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Its pretty much accepted knowledge outside of the united states that the war in afghanistan is won in pakistan as pakistan knows that an unstable afghanistan is good for its coldwar against india. Pakistan ignores the terrorists going between its borders because its army and country is geared in this coldwar state with india, their army isnt designed to fight real wars its designed to fight a cold war. Theres a reason that Russia lost in afghanistan, America will too unless they find some other soloution besides a military one.
Korgathishere
Korgathishere Aug 11, 2009 at 5:23 pm
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You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Leftists said the same retarded "there's no military solution" bull**** about the conflict in Iraq a couple years ago in a pathetic attempt to sound insightful while advocating surrender and retreat er... I mean "strategic redeployment"... You can't have political progress without military progress. The two go hand in hand. Besides, we are working simultaneously on political progress within Afghanistan at the local, tribal and government level. That aspect of winning the war doesn't slip past people like McCrystal and Petraeus, believe me. Have a little faith that they know what they're doing. They've been groomed for just this kind of conflict since college. They literally wrote the books on counter-insurgency. And no, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reed, Thief in Chief, your liberal professors, liberal news anchors, etc, don't know more about how to really win the war than our soldiers and commanders on the ground do.

And the reason why the Soviets lost is because they slaughtered civilians without mercy which turned the entire extremely diverse country against them. They also lost control of the skies after we helped to arm islamists with sophisticated surface to air missilies. Fortunately we don't suffer from either of those problems. Although we have been losing some ground in popular support, the majority of Afghans still support coalition forces and hate the taliban. We're also intelligently working to correct the negative trends by dramatically revamping our rules of engagement to further decrease the already low level of civilian casualties and by increasing troop presence within villages just like we did in Iraqi neighborhoods. Which will eventually make it easier to eliminate islamist safe havens but will probably result in more soldier casualties in the short term.

The Pakistan safe haven is indeed a major problem however and so is the severe lack of both coalition and domestic Afghan forces. As is the harsh terrain, lack of helicopters, and lack of basic infrastructure. All of which is being fixed. The biggest threat to our efforts in Afghanistan is the domestic threat back home - Western citizens no longer strongly supporting the efforts of their troops, creating retarded legislation and court rulings demanding our soldiers collect evidence of guilt and treating islamist like common criminals like domestic police officers would, political leaders meddling in military strategy, etc. That's the only way we'll possibly lose. So congrats to you for being apart of that proud defeatist leftist tradition.
Gumbot
Gumbot Aug 11, 2009 at 5:38 pm
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I never said or advocated that there shouldnt be a military presence in afganistan i simply pointed out that its going to require a diplomatic soloution to be sucessful in afghanistan
rect
rect Aug 11, 2009 at 6:59 am
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Ignorant civilian is ignorant.
Korgathishere
Korgathishere Aug 11, 2009 at 7:12 am
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And oh yeah, I don't know where you get off saying recent college grad journalists sell us a pretty picture of Afghanistan and America's leading roll in the world in general. That's truely LMAO worthy. If you listen to most news reports about our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, our soldiers, our global war against terrorism (aka our war against imperialist islamists), etc, you'd get the impression that we're a fat retarded modern version of the German National Socialist Party - as your own retarded blog post displays. If you wanna find good reporting out of Iraq and Afghanistan you can find it, you just have to know where to look.

And if anyone is be persecuted for their beliefs on religion it's the Christians frankly who are publicly ridiculed and their rights infringed upon all the time under the false guise that the constitution prohibits public displays of religion. Just ask the Christian honor students who aren't allowed to thank God in their graduation speeches. Or the other Christian groups who are attacked for displaying the scene of the brith of Jesus on Christmas. Or the childrens choirs who are sued for singing tradition Christian songs. All because of you militant anti-Christian nutjobs who have the nerve to complain about being persecuted.
Ely
Ely Aug 11, 2009 at 7:49 am
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the second paragraph projects just as much retardation as the OP does

please, try to keep it in your pants
Lesane
Lesane Aug 11, 2009 at 8:06 am
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Maybe Christians should start becoming as fanatical as muslims and lynch everyone who dares walking around with a "Jesus is my homeboy" shirt lol. I'm pretty sure the public ridicule will disappear in no time that way. You see how everyone is too ***** to criticize Islam, hell you even have your own president trying to promote it...
Vir
Vir Aug 11, 2009 at 9:43 am
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Lesane said
Maybe Christians should start becoming as fanatical as muslims and lynch everyone who dares walking around with a "Jesus is my homeboy" shirt lol. I'm pretty sure the public ridicule will disappear in no time that way. You see how everyone is too ***** to criticize Islam, hell you even have your own president trying to promote it...
They will eventually.  It's the inevitable outcome of persecution.
Korgathishere
Korgathishere Aug 11, 2009 at 9:58 am
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Not to mention that secular liberal atheists are brutally persecuted by the kinds of islamists that comprise the taliban. And it's hypocritical naive liberal irony incarnate that he has the nerve to criticize us for fighting these islamist savages who would very likely behead him if given the chance while screeching "God is Great!" who would then happily send the grainy video footage to CNN. And yet I bet he doesn't have a single bad word to say about them, like most politically correct liberals who are afraid of being called "racist" and "islamophobic". Ignorance is bliss.
Troldetom
Troldetom Aug 11, 2009 at 8:25 am
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Is it true that saying "merry christmas" is frowned upon in the US?
thataliasisinuse
thataliasisinuse Aug 11, 2009 at 9:20 am
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Who the **** cares, If somebody thanks god or yells "Allahu Ackbar" in their whatever speeches.

People should be allowed to believe in every fairytale they want to and host ridiculous seremonies own their own areas and property aslong as all participants are willing and it doesn't affect me.

Although I would avoid hiring fanatic believers of any religions, due to them having usually really narrow field of thought.
Vir
Vir Aug 11, 2009 at 9:45 am
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Although I would avoid hiring fanatic believers of any religions, due to them having usually really narrow field of thought.

Should that be legal?  If so should people also be able to discriminate in hiring based on race, sex, political beliefs, etc?
Lesane
Lesane Aug 11, 2009 at 10:34 am
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thataliasisinuse said
Who the **** cares, If somebody thanks god or yells "Allahu Ackbar" in their whatever speeches.

People should be allowed to believe in every fairytale they want to and host ridiculous seremonies own their own areas and property aslong as all participants are willing and it doesn't affect me.

Although I would avoid hiring fanatic believers of any religions, due to them having usually really narrow field of thought.
The problem with Islam is that it's main goal is to conquer the world with it's religion. It's not just a "fairytale" that you believe in, it's a complete code of life with a political and juridical system linked to it, one based on 7th century Arabia. Their holy book teaches them to hate every non-muslim. Look how many people are muslim today, you think that's because they were all convinced by what it teaches? Outside of Indonesia every country that has a muslim majority living in it was conquered through Jihad, simple as that. If it wasn't for some decisive battles in history in Europe, all of Europe would be Islamic right now.

"Had we been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone, then the Germanic races would have conquered the world." - Adolf Hitler
Clavain
Clavain Aug 11, 2009 at 11:31 am
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This post is so ignorant I don't even know where to begin.  You clearly know nothing about Islam.  According to Islamic law as it was practiced, until the current century, the state was obligated to protect the life, property, and religious freedom of non-muslims who were "people of the book" (Jews and Christians), in return for a tax, but if you compare that to religious freedom in Europe especially after 1300 when Christianity became dominant, it seems like a pretty sweet deal.

Here are couple passages from the Quran about religious freedom that I found after 2 minutes of searching:

-Those who believe (i.e. professing to be Muslims), or those who declare Judaism, or the Christians or the Sabaeans – whoever truly believes in God and the Last Day and does good, righteous deeds, surely their reward is with their Lord, and they will have no fear, nor will they grieve.
-Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.

Granted there are passages that advocate severe punishment for non-believers, but its not the only holy book that has conflicting passages...

 Also I don't know if you're familiar with the Spanish Inquisition?  After the Jews were expelled, the ruler of the Ottoman Empire (Turkey) Bayezid II (a muslim) sent out the navy to provide passage for all of the refugees.

And seriously, how do you think  Christianity spread in Europe?  

Oh and I personally am a Christian, but am not stupid enough to loathe all other belief systems. 
Lesane
Lesane Aug 12, 2009 at 7:03 am
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You know that this tax, "jizya", could sometimes go up to about 50% of their income? This while muslims pay a "zakat" of 2.5%? The protection offered for this tax is only protection from the muslims themselves, if they don't pay they are valid targets for muslims. Ever heard of mafia? Mafia also intimidates and threatens shop owners so they'll pay protection money, jizya is essentially the same. Also, the entire purpose of "jizya" is to humiliate it's subjects, as stated by the Quran itself. Sweet deal indeed. You can flame the way Christianity ruled over Europe hundreds of years ago, and I will not deny this but the matter of fact is that today you never see that happening anymore. Yet, today jizya still exists because the Quran and the Sunnah are not subject to change and will remain exactly the same as it was written in the Quran (which was done around 930 A.D. iirc). Also, there is no such thing as religious freedom for non-muslims in Islamic law, the only place where they are allowed to practice their religion is inside their holy shrines. They aren't allowed to preach in public, they aren't allowed to convert people, they aren't allowed to wear symbols related to their belief and so on. Jizya is simply a tax for the people who want to live without converting to Islam, and even then they'll only be able to live in a very restricted manner and as second class citizens. If you want to go back to the period of "colored" and "white" facilities for everything like in America a few years ago, then by all means keep supporting Islam.

Also, I'm glad you managed to find out that even though the Quran has peaceful verses, there are conflicting violent ones in it as well. Yes, every holy book apparently contains contradicting verses. The Quran however, resolves this with the rule of "abrogation" which is based on a verse in the Quran itself. Basically, if there are 2 verses contradicting each other, the one that was revealed last will count. And that's exactly the problem, because the later verses are the ones full of violence. When Islam was small it was peaceful, it didn't have the chance to fight people, hell it even went as far that they weren't allowed to counter-attack if they were to be attacked first. That all changed however and the latest verses all call for world domination by Islam and allows the slaughter of all unbelievers except for the ones muslims have a treaty with or jews and christians which pay jizya.

I also find it ironical how you're trying to portray the Inquisition as horrible (which it is, don't get me wrong) while forgetting the Spanish people themselves were conquered and subjugated by muslims themselves for 800 years. Also, mentioning that the Ottoman Empire provided a navy for the refugees. How about you look up some info about the jannisaries as well? You know, the young christian boys that the same Ottoman Empire stole from it's subjugated christian citizens to raise them as elite troops with unquestionable loyalty to the Sultan?

Christianity might've spread by the sword, and I will not deny this at all but the point is that as far as I know, you will not find Christianity calling for world dominance and encouraging violence in the name of it's God on all unbelievers. If you can point this out to me, then Christianity is almost as bad as Islam (Islam still goes slightly further by calling a pedophile, mass murderer, thief, terrorist, etc. the perfect example of mankind, where Christianity at least tries to emulate Jesus instead).

Today we live in the 21st century, what Christianity has done in the past is unforgivable but it no longer does those things. Islam on the other hand has been doing the same **** ever since it was "revealed" to prophet Muhammad and there's no hope of it ever changing it's ways either. I personally detest all religion but Islam is one of the worst cases. Before you tell me I'm ignorant about Islam maybe you should do some more research yourself instead of trying to make it look like Islam is peaceful (although only when compared to the atrocities commited by Christians in history).
Guidor
Guidor Aug 11, 2009 at 9:21 am
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Personally I find it hilariously stupid that the culture and religion that gave brith to our most advanced society is frowned upon. And the backwards sort of religion/culture that we had back in the fuedal ages is something we have to "accept" and be "tolerant" of, regardless of how much they genuinely want to take us over and enforce their own intolerant laws.
Ocedic
Ocedic Aug 11, 2009 at 10:42 am
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Yes, yes, everyone is a victim and oh so oppressed by society.  /rolleyes
Narcissos
Narcissos Aug 11, 2009 at 7:41 am
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The bit about Iraq feels very reminiscent of a classic Bill Hicks rant.
Ely
Ely Aug 11, 2009 at 7:52 am
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"No one gives a **** about your cynical viewpoint or the epiphanies you think you've experienced at age 19."

I wonder if this can apply to every piece of drivel you've ever written?
Talos
Talos Aug 11, 2009 at 8:54 am
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Its sure is easy to sit safe at home, in a free, generally law-abiding country and criticize those who defend your freedom.

Newsflash you inbred useless waste of oxygen - world isnt a nice place, try supporting those who give their lives to protect your worthless ass.

But hey, Saddam was a really nice guy, no honestly, ask the Kuwaiti's and dissidents (like yourself).

Consider yourself lucky we put up with trash like you, rather than grab you from your home and shoot you, like Saddam used to.
Lewzlol
Lewzlol Aug 11, 2009 at 9:15 am
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Wtf is this ****. WOWRIOT MOTHER******.

hope this helps
Dizko
Dizko Aug 11, 2009 at 9:32 am
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Awesome, another blog that has jack **** to do with WoW and videogames.
Vir
Vir Aug 11, 2009 at 9:46 am
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It seems like a good 75% of the blogs on here have nothing to do with WoW.  Nobody cares anymore because WoW is in decline.
Dizko
Dizko Aug 11, 2009 at 10:17 am
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That's perfectly ok, but at least talk about videogames. The main site is called GameRiot after all.
Vir
Vir Aug 11, 2009 at 10:24 am
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Dizko said
That's perfectly ok, but at least talk about videogames. The main site is called GameRiot after all.
This is about video games, it's about how horribly informed most gamers are about politics.
Dizko
Dizko Aug 11, 2009 at 10:32 am
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While true, that statement isn't relegated to just gamers. The general population of America is ignorant. WoWRiot isn't exactly the place to school anyone on politics considering a majority of viewers probably aren't old enough to even vote, not that voting actually matters but it's the principle that does.

There is also a point to be made that not all readers are American and posting about American politics uis useless to non-Americans other than aiding them in laughing at how retarded and broken our system is unless you're Australian of course.
Vir
Vir Aug 11, 2009 at 11:35 am
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There is also a point to be made that not all readers are American and
posting about American politics uis useless to non-Americans


Not really, many of them talk about American politics.  After all, most of them have been invaded by us at one point in history.
Gumbot
Gumbot Aug 11, 2009 at 2:08 pm
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Alot of the worlds developed countries do the majority of their trade with the united states aswell so their policy gets play in those countries, for example when this whole buy american steel deal was going on in washington Canada covered the story because it was going to hurt our steal industry. None of the countries was an isolationist US state becasue we need to send those fat consumers some STUFF!
Yiska
Yiska Aug 11, 2009 at 5:53 pm
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Vir said
This is about video games, it's about how horribly informed most gamers are about politics.
You know what? I don't ******* care. You got the forums and it's a gameriot rule.
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