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by glick, Level 37
Last updated at April 4, 2009, 7:51 pm
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So with patch 3.1 comes a myriad of balance changes. Hunters are not looking so hot and terrible players like Levidian will fall back to the 1800s where they belong. DKs and Paladins will still be ridiculous and druids will still suck so things really won't be that different but whatever. I don't really give a **** about other classes so anyway..
The warlock class as we know it is on a precipice hanging over the abyss of unplayable terribleness. Blizzard in their infinite wisdom decided the completely gut the affliction tree with a series of "simplifications". Siphon Life no longer exists as a DoT and Immolate is literally taken off your bar once you hit 41 points. Warlocks now only have 2 instant cast magic debuffs and one terrible curse that is only barely ahead of Curse of Elements for dps curse of choice.
Fear is also getting **** all over. After all the epic crying about dying in Fear, Blizzard decided to make it unusable. It is going to break more quickly than Fear did in 2.4 and you don't even have Siphon Life for low damage dispel protection and might have to resort to casting low rank spells that are more expensive mana wise than their higher level equivalents. This was more of a big deal versus other warlock teams when people actually used felhunters to dispel their teammates instead of tunneling auto devour. This is kind of a tangent but people play 100x worse than they did in BC. For example, about 90% of frost mages will polymorph my teammates without putting a winter's chill up. It's ******* Arena PVP 101 and the most skillful thing these idiots can manage to do is resist spell lock even though they have Curse of Elements up because they're too ******* stupid to decurse themselves while they're running around spamming ice lance.
The only class that ever dies to a multiple fear lockout is shaman, which is ironic because they have the best fear self protection. This often requires the shaman to have retarded teammates that don't stop you and all your cooldowns (Death Coil and Spell Lock lol). Shaman, you don't die because fear is op you die because your class sucks, sorry. Blinding shaman and then swapping to them the instant they trinket and killing them in under 5 seconds is one of the funniest things in this game and way more stupid than a 10-12 second fear combo. Spam fearing a DPSd target (a DPSd target being a target your teammate is on because you don't put out real single target damage) is honestly fine. It's a 2-3 second "stun" and kills your DR on the target which isn't really that bad a trade off since they're being trained anyway.
Affliction warlocks have no burst. The only way to create pressure is to dot more than one target, otherwise your damage might look something like the PMR's priest's damage. In 3.1, dotting more than one target will result in your most powerful spell being worthless. The only thing that separates the average warlock from a good warlock is usage of fear. The best part of the warlock class is being able to apply a CC that isn't removed instantly by competent healers. UD players and shaman teams have had a pretty huge advantage on warlock teams for the most part for this reason and nobody can deny how big a deal it is.
Destruction is ******* stupid on TR. I logged on randomly a few days ago and I was incinerating for 4k, Chaos Bolting for 5k and Conflagging for almost 7k. There is only one option for warlocks next patch and that option is turning into a tunnel visioning terribad. As destruction your fear protection is basically nonexistent and at a 20 yard range it won't really be used that much. Now a good warlock will have less impact on a game unless it's from their tunnel visioning damage output. Warlocks are going to become watered down mages except they're going to get trained by melee all day long. The skill-based warlock class is pretty much dead if Destruction becomes the only viable spec. Crap like the now nerfed instant seduce is even dumber since it's probably the most easily countered CC in the game and encourages tunnel visioning even more.
Since Blizzard will probably not want to leave warlocks unscathed, here are some suggestions. Warlocks are not the party of no and I am ready with my own ideas. First of all, Fear could be made to work similar to Hungering Cold. A debuff that breaks on damage unless that damage is an affliction spell. A similar damage cap to what it is now for affliction spells would also be fine. You really really should put Siphon Life back in just with an adjustment to make it unattractive in a PvE rotation. There is a lot more to PvP balance than there is to balancing a PvE rotation. Things like spell duration, number of debuff slots, damage per tick are a lot more significant and taking out Siphon Life removes a lot of utility. Taking out immolate takes away our best spell to cast when we're locked out of the shadow tree with nothing to replace it. The fire tree should have something more interesting than just red damage but thats probably asking for too much.
TLDR Affliction is actually a skill based spec and Destruction is completely devoid of skill in the way playing a ret paladin is completley devoid of skill. Blizzard is retarded and shortsighted and has no idea what is actually going on in their own game.

176 comments
Klynx Apr 5, 2009 at 12:46 am
+6 votes
touchmytotem60 said
if that was the best gr is a ******* sad website or you have downs and the combined intelligence of a 4 year old.
Shadowlol Apr 5, 2009 at 7:35 am
+6 votes
or you have the combined literary skillz of a chimp
CUZ THATS HOW U USE THAT PHRASE RITE????
CUZ THATS HOW U USE THAT PHRASE RITE????
touchmytotem60 Apr 5, 2009 at 1:32 pm
-1 votes
Shadowlol said
or you have the combined literary skillz of a chimp
CUZ THATS HOW U USE THAT PHRASE RITE????
CUZ THATS HOW U USE THAT PHRASE RITE????
Klynx Apr 5, 2009 at 2:57 pm
+1 votes
So the combined GR crowd, a lot of them having earned bachelor's and graduate's degrees, have the COMBINED intelligence of a 4 year old? Yeah that statement makes a ton of sense and truly cuts us all to the core.
You're still an enormous, abrasive idiot.
You're still an enormous, abrasive idiot.
Alkazor Apr 4, 2009 at 8:06 pm
+0 votes
I fail to understand why people keep comparing fear to stuns.
The fear nerf makes sense, can't say the same for Siphon Life...
The fear nerf makes sense, can't say the same for Siphon Life...
bufflocks Apr 4, 2009 at 10:39 pm
-3 votes
charlieX said
mabe they finaly realised dotlock was litle 2 ezmode. lol.
it's actually a series of spells... why does it matter? because locks have a 1.5 sec GCD and dots take 3 secs to tick, that means between corruption, agony, ua, siphon life, hant and immolate locks take almost 9 secs to cast all their dots, also means it's probably the class with most spells/abilities to cast
also dotlock is your name for affliction warlocks? affliction locks take finesse (lol finesse), destruction requires tunnel vision... watching a affliction lock stream is great, spread dmg, taking control of the fight with peels and kiting, destro is like a feral druid tunnel vision that doesnt even cyclone
smoktuki Apr 4, 2009 at 11:47 pm
+0 votes
bufflocks said
"lol spam dot" there is no dot, locks don't have a "dot" spell
it's actually a series of spells... why does it matter? because locks have a 1.5 sec GCD and dots take 3 secs to tick, that means between corruption, agony, ua, siphon life, hant and immolate locks take almost 9 secs to cast all their dots, also means it's probably the class with most spells/abilities to cast
also dotlock is your name for affliction warlocks? affliction locks take finesse (lol finesse), destruction requires tunnel vision... watching a affliction lock stream is great, spread dmg, taking control of the fight with peels and kiting, destro is like a feral druid tunnel vision that doesnt even cyclone
it's actually a series of spells... why does it matter? because locks have a 1.5 sec GCD and dots take 3 secs to tick, that means between corruption, agony, ua, siphon life, hant and immolate locks take almost 9 secs to cast all their dots, also means it's probably the class with most spells/abilities to cast
also dotlock is your name for affliction warlocks? affliction locks take finesse (lol finesse), destruction requires tunnel vision... watching a affliction lock stream is great, spread dmg, taking control of the fight with peels and kiting, destro is like a feral druid tunnel vision that doesnt even cyclone
bufflocks Apr 5, 2009 at 1:46 am
-3 votes
smoktuki said
dot = damage over time idiot.
my point is, ppl dying in a fear is bull****, no one dies in 1 fear unless he's at 20% hp... ppl die in 3 fears + spell lock + death coil(maybe)
if the healer partner doesn't stop 3 fears, haunts, UAs, etc they deserve to die, not to mention the healer had to be in a bad position to be feared in the first place
^--- that's what affliction does to kill ppl, far from dotlock 2 eazy
so basically you have no clue -> direct dmg =/= skill, in this case (destruction-affliction) its the oposite
bufflocks Apr 6, 2009 at 1:39 pm
+1 votes
Yiska said
100 -> 20 in one fear is not a myth.
that's 60% of your HP, fear breaks at 20%, maybe you tunnel vision so much you dont play attention to your HP
Yiska Apr 6, 2009 at 2:00 pm
+1 votes
You fail hard at logic. I, on my lock, can fear someone fulldotted and after 2 ticks do GLG ST+ SB and he's at 20% every time. For some reason priest fear feels even more stupid.
And btw: Last time I checked 100 -> 20 is 80% of my hp, moron. At least you are not asian...
And btw: Last time I checked 100 -> 20 is 80% of my hp, moron. At least you are not asian...
bufflocks Apr 6, 2009 at 6:53 pm
+1 votes
Yiska said
You fail hard at logic. I, on my lock, can fear someone fulldotted and after 2 ticks do GLG ST+ SB and he's at 20% every time. For some reason priest fear feels even more stupid.
And btw: Last time I checked 100 -> 20 is 80% of my hp, moron. At least you are not asian...
And btw: Last time I checked 100 -> 20 is 80% of my hp, moron. At least you are not asian...
still, thats not 1 fear
bufflocks Apr 6, 2009 at 1:38 pm
+1 votes
Madyo said
dots are 1 sec gcd
frisbee Apr 4, 2009 at 11:45 pm
-1 votes
charlieX said
mabe they finaly realised dotlock was litle 2 ezmode. lol.
ur the worst troll 2 !
Roomie Apr 4, 2009 at 8:21 pm
+1 votes
at first i went through all this looking over it, not really reading, and i was like ugh... so long. and was about to complain in a comment, then you summed it up for me in the TLDR and i was very pleased. ty, i support your cause unnerf affliction *thumbs up*
sikraeli Apr 4, 2009 at 8:44 pm
+1 votes
heh and i was gonna renew my account for 3.1 until i started reading about all the affliction changes
hey at least expose/sunders getting nerfed and metas still viable (heh)
hey at least expose/sunders getting nerfed and metas still viable (heh)
simple11 Apr 4, 2009 at 8:59 pm
+11 votes
It's funny, usually when gamers ***** about a game, they won't play it any more. But you kids ***** and still pay-to-play.
Dudeeeeee they don't care. In fact, if I were Blizzard (Because blizzard seems to be a singular person), I'd make the game so redonkulous and see how many you people still play the game.
Dudeeeeee they don't care. In fact, if I were Blizzard (Because blizzard seems to be a singular person), I'd make the game so redonkulous and see how many you people still play the game.
Likewhoa Apr 5, 2009 at 4:59 am
+1 votes
simple11 said
It's funny, usually when gamers ***** about a game, they won't play it any more. But you kids ***** and still pay-to-play.
Dudeeeeee they don't care. In fact, if I were Blizzard (Because blizzard seems to be a singular person), I'd make the game so redonkulous and see how many you people still play the game.
Dudeeeeee they don't care. In fact, if I were Blizzard (Because blizzard seems to be a singular person), I'd make the game so redonkulous and see how many you people still play the game.
Hushpuppy Apr 5, 2009 at 11:53 pm
+1 votes
Exactly, it's what I seriously do not get.
I was complaining about the game the instant 3.0 came out.
Shortly after WOTLK was released, and I realized the game was garbage, I quit.
I mean it was that simple for me. I'm just wondering why others can't just quit and do something else.
I was complaining about the game the instant 3.0 came out.
Shortly after WOTLK was released, and I realized the game was garbage, I quit.
I mean it was that simple for me. I'm just wondering why others can't just quit and do something else.
daays Apr 4, 2009 at 9:13 pm
+1 votes
Fear needed a change.
Gutting the lock class, not so much.
Can't wait for the destro QQ about doing 10k. Gonna be arcane all over again
Gutting the lock class, not so much.
Can't wait for the destro QQ about doing 10k. Gonna be arcane all over again
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