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by hamchook, Level 12
Last updated at November 1, 2009, 11:07 am
Alrighty then, time for another awesome Orangeblog, yeah!  I have a few observations to point out on the reaction to my first entry.  Firstly, it makes me feel good to defeat dumbs in argument, so to all dumbs:  feel free to continue commenting (dumb is a noun - side effect of immigrant family).  Secondly, I've decided to add in more WoW flavor to appease the angry mob.  Now generally, I find most WoW related articles, strategy guides especially, rather boring.  But seeing as how I'm the best hunter ever, I feel as if I should share some things.  I'd gladly take requests for content in this department, so feel free to make them.  Lastly, I appreciate the couple offers I got to write on other blogrolls but for the time being, I want to continue on my own. 

Arena - The Opener

You stand next to your comrades, knees quivering in nervous anticipation.  You hear the wild cries of the riled mob echoing above your head, hungry for violence and death.  The wooden platform under your feet cranks to life, rising slowly and you feel your stomach plummet in place.  The crowd in the stadium gradually comes into view and you know you're mere seconds away from the heat of battle.   The platform comes level with the dry, dusty arena floor and it hits you.  Cheap shot, Frost Nova, Mutilate, Frostbolt, Icelance, Kidney Shot, Frostbolt, Holy Fire, SW:D!  The ****?  You die.  (3499 overkill)

One of the most important requirements for an arena team to be great is the ability to recognize why a match was lost.  I find that a significant portion of my losses come from botched openers.  I may have risked an aggressive flare and not caught the rogue I wanted, only to see my healer get sapped and my poor dwarf getting creamed in a cheapshot.  Instant loss.

Now, you shouldn't die right off the bat to PMR even if they get the jump on you as is the case in my awesome dramatization, but that's not the point.  They got the jump on you.  Even if you survive the first burst, they have the offensive momentum.  Now you have to start burning your cooldowns defensively.  Your rogue has to use a vanish to survive instead of more pressure.  Your hunter has to use silencing shot on a frostbolt instead of a heal.  Your DK has to use runic power on AMS/ICB instead of death coil.  They are running at you full force and you are backpedaling for the rest of the fight.

So, what can be done?  How do you swing the opener, and thus the whole fight, in your favor?  Well, being aware of the issue is half the battle.  Another important requirement for a great arena team is the ability to think of viable solutions to your team's problems. 

There are general things a team can improve on, such as team positioning.  Who do you suspect the other team will get on?  Is that player in a position to get hit first by opposing dps, or is he in a position to get the first shot off?  Sometimes its simply the difference between running into an enemy team as the first player in your team, or the last player. 

There are things you can do based on your opponents' composition.  If you're opposition has a warrior, you know you are going to begin the fight in a short stun.  Those two seconds, in WotLK, are enough for you to die.  We've all experienced it.  Knowing this, do you put yourself in a position to get devastated by both dps?  Or do you try to drag the charge behind a pole to make it difficult for the second dpser to reach you, or at least behind your teammates where they are automatically within range to help you? 

Map plays a role as well.  Take Ruins of Lordaeron, for example.  Do you allow the other team's dpsers to climb over the tomb and get on you, while their healer uses its line of sight for safety and yours stands bent over in the open, ready and waiting to take it in the pooper?  **** no, you climb over and fight, at the very least, on even terms. 

Aside from general things, there are individual class abilities that help with openers.  Hunters, for example, have great stealth breaking tools.  Denying a rogue an opener is monumental for your team, because some rogue teams live and die by their saps and cheapshots.  Flare is obvious, but it matters how you use it.  If you know the pattern of a certain team's rogue, you can take a risk and be aggressive with the flare.  Otherwise, team squatting on a flare to deny them a sap and a cheapshot as opposed to taking only one or the other is a good use.  Hunters with Tenacity pets (crabs, turtles, etc) can use intervene on themselves and run out with Track Hidden (+stealth detection) to catch a nearby rogue.  Every class has a wide range of abilities, use them creatively to your advantage.

Keep in mind that openers do not only apply to stealth classes.  Every class has a means of beginning a fight.  How you do that individually and as a team plays a role in your success!

Theories in Life:  Emotion and Logic

I think often.  One of my favorite things to think about is why people do things.  In my thoughts, I've come up with a theory of why people do the things they do (particularly in relationships), and I want to share it because it is of value to me.  Any feedback is welcome.  Keep in mind that these are all my opinions, from my perspective.  Here goes.

Everything we do is based in emotion or logic.  One or the other, or some mixture of both.  We think emotionally and logically.  We make decisions based on these two things.  Now, the difference between the two is that emotions don't follow reasoning or rationale.  You can like a person emotionally and logically or one without the other.  

Example of the emotional:  I feel good when I am around person X;  I want to be around this person all the time and I have no explanation why.  If you feel this way towards a person, than emotionally, it makes sense to be with him/her.  People who feel this way towards each other usually get involved with each other romantically.  (Note:  some of you may not have experienced this feeling yet.  I know people that haven't.)

Example of the logical:  I share similar values (perhaps morals, religion, race), share common interests, and offer equal amounts of commitment/sacrifice in a relationship as person X.  It makes sense logically, to be with this person.  People who feel this way about each other usually become what we call "friends."

Why do I found all of this valuable?  Well, think about marriages and relationships.  Most relationships that fail are ones that are only based in emotion, and not enough in logic.  Great example of this is those couples that end up on Jerry Springer episodes.  "He beats me but I STILL LOVE HIM!!"  It works the other way too.  People who get married based in logic and not enough in emotion end up unhappy.  It's not so common in the US because people just divorce, but I come from a culture where divorce is considered shameful.  I see tons of marriages, some within my own family, that occur due to logic but lack in emotion.  The tragic thing is that most of them remain together for the rest of their lives despite the unhappiness.   

My conclusion, as it seems to be with just about everything else, is that balance is the key.  Think of it as a spectrum, emotion on one end and logic on the other.  When you become emotional, let's say anger for example, your logical thinking suffers.  You get pissed and you just want to hit something, despite that hitting something might get you into trouble.  As your anger settles down, you start to think rationally again.  The idea is to keep balance.  If you live your life as an overly emotional person, like all women (^5 for sexism lalalaa), you will do a lot of stupid things in your life.  If live your life as an overly logical person, like Spock from Star Trek, you will have a really boring life.  Balance, balance, balance.

That wraps it up for today.  I think this will be a once a week deal, we'll see.  Oh, and I meant to continue my WoM blogger analysis thing but this turned out longer than I expected, so that will be put on hold.  Remember in my first blog when I said shut the hell up if you're upset about my inconsistency?  Ye ye ye.
     
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Cranos
Cranos Nov 1, 2009 at 11:21 am unhide comment
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cydial
cydial Nov 1, 2009 at 11:23 am
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Trying to write so intelligently on a site like this gets you nowhere. The arena part of your blog was good, but when you start going into the whole emotional / logical relationship part it's zzzz.
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 1:00 pm
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Those are my favorite parts of my blogs.  My opinion on my blog is more important than yours so they will remain.  :)
Buffjob
Buffjob Nov 1, 2009 at 1:14 pm
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hamchook said
Those are my favorite parts of my blogs.  My opinion on my blog is more important than yours so they will remain.  :)
+1 for that. You should post an audio file of the tongue thing as well.
Ekss
Ekss Nov 1, 2009 at 2:30 pm
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Cause you're an emo bastard.
suchthedrama
suchthedrama Nov 2, 2009 at 12:52 am
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yeah, we have enough arena coverage on wowriot keep doing things like these imo
Kingkongdingdong
Kingkongdingdong Nov 1, 2009 at 11:29 am
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Nochtis
Nochtis Nov 1, 2009 at 11:52 am
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I wish I still had that Naxx screenshot where Ghengis said "What this guild needs is more jobless teenage virgins.... like Hamchook"

In all seriousness though, you need to quit the game and do something with yourself, man. I thought you'd be like, running your own company or doing something productive with your life by now. You were always a rival, a standard by which I measured myself when I played on Magtheridon with you.

I used to dream of dueling you back in the day, and now here we are... I can't believe what you've become.
smallpackage
smallpackage Nov 1, 2009 at 12:00 pm
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hamchook has played like a combined 2 hours in the past 5 months
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 12:59 pm
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Lol @ ghengis, I miss that guy

I responded to your other comment.  You have aim or some means of instant communication?
Ekss
Ekss Nov 1, 2009 at 2:30 pm
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what happened to ghengis when he disappeared for 2 years after going to that steakhouse?
Diba
Diba Nov 1, 2009 at 12:17 pm
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Vele
Vele Nov 1, 2009 at 1:15 pm
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Didn't like the first blog so much, really enjoyed this one. +1d.
KuroRP
KuroRP Nov 1, 2009 at 1:19 pm
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"My conclusion, as it seems to be with just about everything else, is that balance is the key.  Think of it as a spectrum, emotion on one end and logic on the other.  When you become emotional, let's say anger for example, your logical thinking suffers.  You get pissed and you just want to hit something, despite that hitting something might get you into trouble.  As your anger settles down, you start to think rationally again.  The idea is to keep balance."

Not quite, my child.

Logic and emotion are not mutually exclusive. What you are speaking of is "hot anger", a state through which you regard only self, and in that state what you are doing is completely logical, because it will make yourself feel better. There is a "cold anger" state, through which you regard self and the focus of your anger, but nothing external. In this state you gain clarity and direction, more so than in a non-state. 

Both are states of anger, but with different outputs. Hot anger usually leads to irrational (but logical) violence, and Cold anger usually leads to a clear and concise point of argument but equally hateful.

It is in your best interests to avoid either state, and instead turn to Christ (our savior) when you feel the need to release.
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 1:35 pm
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You could make the argument that reactions to anger are logical because they make one feel better.  However, becoming angry in the first place is illogical in and of itself.

I think what you're saying with hot and cold anger has to do with levels of control over emotion.  Using logic, one can exert control over emotion.  Hot anger being a low level of control and cold being a higher level.  Total control would be the ability to not get angry at all.

Also, what's the difference between rational and logical?  I use them synonymously so I can't see how something can be irrational but logical at the same time.
KuroRP
KuroRP Nov 1, 2009 at 2:02 pm
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hamchook said
You could make the argument that reactions to anger are logical because they make one feel better.  However, becoming angry in the first place is illogical in and of itself.

I think what you're saying with hot and cold anger has to do with levels of control over emotion.  Using logic, one can exert control over emotion.  Hot anger being a low level of control and cold being a higher level.  Total control would be the ability to not get angry at all.

Also, what's the difference between rational and logical?  I use them synonymously so I can't see how something can be irrational but logical at the same time.
You cannot infer an action to be illogical without pre-conditions.

"Using logic, one can exert control over emotion"

You contradict yourself. Surely if logic and emotion were on the same continuous scale, one would be unable to use logic (which, using your scale, would be in short supply) to exert control over a strong emotional state.

I'll give you another analogy to highlight the flaws in your reasoning.

Most scientists are seen to be logical thinkers. They are cold and emotionless so by your definition they should make decisions based 100% on logic. But they are not logical. They are not logical because they ignore the facts, because they are blinded by a relentless determination to disprove our Lord as the creator of all things. What they need is emotion. With a little bit of joy and happiness in their soul they could accept Christ's loving tendrils into their hearts and see the truth. It is only with emotion that scientists can become logical thinkers. 

And so the two cannot be mutually exclusive.
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Catonmars Nov 1, 2009 at 2:10 pm
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KuroRP said
You cannot infer an action to be illogical without pre-conditions.

"Using logic, one can exert control over emotion"

You contradict yourself. Surely if logic and emotion were on the same continuous scale, one would be unable to use logic (which, using your scale, would be in short supply) to exert control over a strong emotional state.

I'll give you another analogy to highlight the flaws in your reasoning.

Most scientists are seen to be logical thinkers. They are cold and emotionless so by your definition they should make decisions based 100% on logic. But they are not logical. They are not logical because they ignore the facts, because they are blinded by a relentless determination to disprove our Lord as the creator of all things. What they need is emotion. With a little bit of joy and happiness in their soul they could accept Christ's loving tendrils into their hearts and see the truth. It is only with emotion that scientists can become logical thinkers. 

And so the two cannot be mutually exclusive.
That is some quality trolling right there. 7/10.
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 2:22 pm
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There is a pre-condition:  emotions are illogical.

Its not a contradiction, it actually fits in well within my scale.  When you use logic, you use less emotion, so you can make the connection that logic exerts a control over emotion.  It works the other way as well.  Using emotion, you use less logic.  Emotion exerts a control over logic. 

I still haven't decided whether or not you're a troll, but I'll respond to that second bit anyway.  There are no facts that prove your savior exists.  Belief in religion is based in faith, not knowledge, so scientists are logical.  Just because they are logical does not mean they are not emotional, though.  Like I said earlier:  balance. 

You didn't answer my question about the difference between 'rational' and 'logical.'
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KuroRP Nov 1, 2009 at 2:37 pm
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hamchook said
There is a pre-condition:  emotions are illogical.

Its not a contradiction, it actually fits in well within my scale.  When you use logic, you use less emotion, so you can make the connection that logic exerts a control over emotion.  It works the other way as well.  Using emotion, you use less logic.  Emotion exerts a control over logic. 

I still haven't decided whether or not you're a troll, but I'll respond to that second bit anyway.  There are no facts that prove your savior exists.  Belief in religion is based in faith, not knowledge, so scientists are logical.  Just because they are logical does not mean they are not emotional, though.  Like I said earlier:  balance. 

You didn't answer my question about the difference between 'rational' and 'logical.'
The pre-conditions I was referring to are situational boundaries. You cannot have a pre-condition which states a result of the variables you wish to test. We want to know whether emotions and logic reside within the same scale. The precondition therefore cannot be "yes they do".

 "Its not a contradiction, it actually fits in well within my scale."

It is a contradiction. Components of a scale are independent of one another. For example, a temperature scale. It can either be Hot, or it can be Cold. The Hot component does not exert force over the Cold component, they are referential. What we measure with temperature is molecular kinetic energy. A high amount would slide the scale towards hot, and a small amount would slide the scale towards cold.

In your scale, what we are measuring is state of mind. Is the mind thinking logically or is it thinking emotionally. They are not dependent, otherwise they would not be on the same scale.


"Belief in religion is based in faith, not knowledge, so scientists are logical."

Belief in a particular religion might be based on faith, but belief in our Lord as the Creator of all that we see is most definitely based on knowledge. Disbelief is down to a lack of knowledge and understanding. Christ (our savior) had once attempted to show us the true path, but so many were either unwilling or unable to see the truth, and lack of knowledge has carried forth into today. Scientist cannot then be logical thinkers, for they ignore the truth.
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 3:30 pm
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I may have failed to explain my scale properly.  This is kind of difficult so let me try again, and let me know if I'm not making sense.

Imagine the bar where emotion is on the left, and logic is on the right, with some marker that moves up and down the bar.  When the marker is as far left as possible, the person is thinking 100% emotionally and 0% logically.  When the marker is in the middle, in balance, the person is thinking 50% emotionally and 50% logically. 

Is there a name for something like this?


"Belief in our Lord as the Creator of all that we see is most definitely based on knowledge."

Can you prove to me that your Lord actually created everything we see?  I don't see how you can.  If your argument is "it exists, therefore it was created," then I can just as easily say it was created by some race of aliens. 
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Phyzik Nov 1, 2009 at 3:34 pm
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I wouldn't waste time arguing proof with someone who leaves no room for disbelief in their religion. Their answers just piss you off :P
KuroRP
KuroRP Nov 1, 2009 at 4:53 pm
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hamchook said
I may have failed to explain my scale properly.  This is kind of difficult so let me try again, and let me know if I'm not making sense.

Imagine the bar where emotion is on the left, and logic is on the right, with some marker that moves up and down the bar.  When the marker is as far left as possible, the person is thinking 100% emotionally and 0% logically.  When the marker is in the middle, in balance, the person is thinking 50% emotionally and 50% logically. 

Is there a name for something like this?


"Belief in our Lord as the Creator of all that we see is most definitely based on knowledge."

Can you prove to me that your Lord actually created everything we see?  I don't see how you can.  If your argument is "it exists, therefore it was created," then I can just as easily say it was created by some race of aliens. 
No, you explained your scale perfectly. The contradiction occurred when you said "Using logic, one can exert control over emotion" which I referenced earlier, and it occured because you either don't understand the concept of a scale, or you don't agree with the one you proposed.

"Can you prove to me that your Lord actually created everything we see?"

Yes. Look around you. 
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 5:40 pm
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I described my "scale" pretty well in my last post.  It's not the kind of scale you are referring to, so I don't know if scale is even the right word.  We may be arguing semantics.  I may have made it up but it illustrates my theory pretty well either way.  I think it makes sense. 

I'm looking but I don't see anything that proves to me that your Lord is the creator of all, or that there is even a creator at all.  I don't claim that there is not, I just don't see proof that there is.  What am I looking for?
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yog Nov 1, 2009 at 5:46 pm
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When you have an IQ above 200, like myself, you find yourself able to neglect emotions and think logically. God does exist, but not in the sense of Christianity. Because human beings (excluding myself) do not possess the ability to reason in multiple dimensions, theoretical physics can only lead you back so far. This leads the idea of God to fill in the many gaps in your understanding. Ultimately, religion is based entirely on faith. Factual reports are based on the testimony of old men tripping on LSD.

Emotions, on the other hand, signify lesser intelligence. You can never truly control your emotions with logic, because emotions are, by nature, illogical. Logic, in it's purest form, exists independent of emotion; if you are still influenced emotionally, you are not using logic. In the broadest sense, logic cannot exist if there is emotion - the term is not relative. You are either logical or you aren't.
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KuroRP Nov 1, 2009 at 6:04 pm
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yog said
When you have an IQ above 200, like myself, you find yourself able to neglect emotions and think logically. God does exist, but not in the sense of Christianity. Because human beings (excluding myself) do not possess the ability to reason in multiple dimensions, theoretical physics can only lead you back so far. This leads the idea of God to fill in the many gaps in your understanding. Ultimately, religion is based entirely on faith. Factual reports are based on the testimony of old men tripping on LSD.

Emotions, on the other hand, signify lesser intelligence. You can never truly control your emotions with logic, because emotions are, by nature, illogical. Logic, in it's purest form, exists independent of emotion; if you are still influenced emotionally, you are not using logic. In the broadest sense, logic cannot exist if there is emotion - the term is not relative. You are either logical or you aren't.
Theoretical Physics is just that. Theoretical. "Scientists" create mathematical models to describe and predict particular behavior, be it molecular dynamics or social dynamics. They use what little intellect they have and extend it to the world around them. Our minds were created in the image of our Lord, but they have not the entirety. We need to accept Christ (our savior) into our hearts if we are to even begin understanding. It's like trying to reach the moon on a tricycle. You may think you're moving faster towards the truth, but really you're just going around in circles.
yog
yog Nov 1, 2009 at 6:14 pm
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You cannot go to the moon on a tricycle, that is impossible according to Wikipedia.

My point was the inconsistencies in theoretical physics force people to turn to God. I guarantee if you understood the meaning of the universe entirely you would kick God straight out of your God Damn Window.
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KuroRP Nov 1, 2009 at 6:19 pm
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yog said
You cannot go to the moon on a tricycle, that is impossible according to Wikipedia.

My point was the inconsistencies in theoretical physics force people to turn to God. I guarantee if you understood the meaning of the universe entirely you would kick God straight out of your God Damn Window.
Exactly, my child.

You must take off the training wheels of "science" and  "theoretical models" and strap on the jets of eternal servitude to Christ (our savior) if you ever hope to reach beyond the skies of your mind. 

Go in peace.
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yog Nov 1, 2009 at 6:23 pm
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Your so stupid.

For 1, Jesus didn't make your mind in His image because Your retarded. Arguing with you is like arguing with a Wall of Bricks. You need to take off the Backpack of Religion and Apply the Brakes of Logical Reasoning.

If God exists, why is there so much war and hunger in this world? Did you know that 3,0000,00,00 children die in Africa annually due to starvation? Do you know Hitler killed 400,00,00 Jews for fun?
Yiska
Yiska Nov 1, 2009 at 6:44 pm
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yog said
Your so stupid.

For 1, Jesus didn't make your mind in His image because Your retarded. Arguing with you is like arguing with a Wall of Bricks. You need to take off the Backpack of Religion and Apply the Brakes of Logical Reasoning.

If God exists, why is there so much war and hunger in this world? Did you know that 3,0000,00,00 children die in Africa annually due to starvation? Do you know Hitler killed 400,00,00 Jews for fun?
It's called being the most obvious troll on Gameriot, not arguing.
KuroRP
KuroRP Nov 1, 2009 at 6:44 pm
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yog said
Your so stupid.

For 1, Jesus didn't make your mind in His image because Your retarded. Arguing with you is like arguing with a Wall of Bricks. You need to take off the Backpack of Religion and Apply the Brakes of Logical Reasoning.

If God exists, why is there so much war and hunger in this world? Did you know that 3,0000,00,00 children die in Africa annually due to starvation? Do you know Hitler killed 400,00,00 Jews for fun?
No Christ (our savior) did not make us in his image, our Lord did. Christ (our savior) gave us purpose, gave us Truth. Not all of us embraced his message for what it was, and that is why there is so much war and hunger in this world. 

Also its "you're so stupid".

If your going to insult me, at least check your grammer.
Yiska
Yiska Nov 1, 2009 at 6:44 pm
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yog said
Your so stupid.

For 1, Jesus didn't make your mind in His image because Your retarded. Arguing with you is like arguing with a Wall of Bricks. You need to take off the Backpack of Religion and Apply the Brakes of Logical Reasoning.

If God exists, why is there so much war and hunger in this world? Did you know that 3,0000,00,00 children die in Africa annually due to starvation? Do you know Hitler killed 400,00,00 Jews for fun?
It's called being the most obvious troll on Gameriot, not arguing.
yog
yog Nov 1, 2009 at 6:50 pm
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There is no such thing as subtle trolling, that's just people who are so retarded they look like trolls but they are serious about everything they say. usually you point out that you suspect them to be trolling because they're so retarded, then their posts become more and more trollish so people think they've been trolling the whole time. im not trolling, im just providing a logical, intelligent argument.
Yiska
Yiska Nov 1, 2009 at 6:57 pm
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yog said
There is no such thing as subtle trolling, that's just people who are so retarded they look like trolls but they are serious about everything they say. usually you point out that you suspect them to be trolling because they're so retarded, then their posts become more and more trollish so people think they've been trolling the whole time. im not trolling, im just providing a logical, intelligent argument.
Sir I'm aware of that, but he's trolling. Yes, it's most likely a "he". There are people who go off on making people join an argument and getting them worked up because they are stating an opinion that is retarded just for the sake of making the other person pop a vein. (some might say it's the satisfaction of outsmarting)

Are you both trolling and I'm getting trolled right now? That would be silly.
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Wildo Nov 1, 2009 at 7:00 pm
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KuroRP Nov 1, 2009 at 7:31 pm
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Yiska said
Sir I'm aware of that, but he's trolling. Yes, it's most likely a "he". There are people who go off on making people join an argument and getting them worked up because they are stating an opinion that is retarded just for the sake of making the other person pop a vein. (some might say it's the satisfaction of outsmarting)

Are you both trolling and I'm getting trolled right now? That would be silly.
Yiska, my child.

If you feel my opinion is so retarded, to the point of you popping a vein, you must ask yourself... why am I so frustrated?

Why Yiska?

I have the answer.

You will not like it Yiska, you will reject it as you have rejected everything else I have said thus far. But you will know it. You will know it in the deepest, darkest corner of your soul, and that knowledge will grow. It will grow like a tree in the Garden of Eden and it will plant root in your mind. You will know the Truth soon enough Yiska, I just hope you see it sooner rather than later.

The answer is this:

You have been conditioned. For years, Yiska, you have sat through classes with other children only to have a barely-qualified-to-change-their-own-clothes teacher shout satanic verses of "science" and "history" through your ears into your brain. And you let them. You felt it at first. The thought that, "no, actually, that's not quite right teacher", but they continued to talk and you continued to listen. And you forgot that you ever questioned anything, and you were taught math and art and dance and you ate from the tree of knowledge and you enjoyed the taste. You enjoyed the cold, bitter taste of Satan's Domain because it was easy. It was easy to listen, to not question. And when another child raised their hands to question your new lord - this "Teacher" - you hated them. You hated them with all your heart and soul, for they were questioning this new absolute truth and it made sense. 

Now Yiska, after all these years, you still hate the child. You hate them for slowing the pace of your indoctrination. And it's not over, they will still try to teach you the laws of Quantum Mechanics and the latest theories of evolutionary psychology. And now I am raising my hand. I am saying "no, actually, that's not quite right teacher". 

And you feel like popping a vein. 

I do not feel like "popping a vein", my child, even though your opinions are equally "retarded". For I know the Truth Yiska, and I accept Christ (our savior) and all his loving tendrils into my heart, and I hope one day you will do the same.

I will pray for you Yiska. Go in peace.


 
Windex
Windex Nov 2, 2009 at 3:41 am
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Yo KuroRP, you're fat.  What do you have to say about that?

Clearly defeated, now moving on "You have been conditioned. For years, KuroRP, you have sat through masses with other children only to have a
barely-qualified-to-change-their-own-clothes preacher shout illogical
verses of "gospel" and "old testament" through your ears into your brain.
And you let them. You felt it at first. The thought that, "no,
actually, that's not quite right preacher, but they continued to talk and you continued to listen.  And you forgot that you ever questioned anything."
KuroRP
KuroRP Nov 2, 2009 at 8:04 am
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Windex said
Yo KuroRP, you're fat.  What do you have to say about that?

Clearly defeated, now moving on "You have been conditioned. For years, KuroRP, you have sat through masses with other children only to have a
barely-qualified-to-change-their-own-clothes preacher shout illogical
verses of "gospel" and "old testament" through your ears into your brain.
And you let them. You felt it at first. The thought that, "no,
actually, that's not quite right preacher, but they continued to talk and you continued to listen.  And you forgot that you ever questioned anything."
Fat? Vegan diets leave little room for excess fat intake I'll have you know.

I have not been conditioned, my child. My knowledge of our Lord comes from direct experience with all that he has given to us. My teachings come from Christ (our savior) himself, and not from - as you put it - an unqualified preacher who accepts money in exchange for common knowledge. No no, I was never a fan of Church but I respect those who attend, for at least they show some interest, unlike the athiests of this world who just dismiss all signs of the Truth as insanity. 

There is nothing saner, Windex, than falling to your knees and expressing your eternal servitude to Christ (our savior) and our Lord in Heaven.

I hope you see this before it is too late.

Go in peace.
Neber
Neber Nov 1, 2009 at 8:42 pm
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yog said
Your so stupid.

For 1, Jesus didn't make your mind in His image because Your retarded. Arguing with you is like arguing with a Wall of Bricks. You need to take off the Backpack of Religion and Apply the Brakes of Logical Reasoning.

If God exists, why is there so much war and hunger in this world? Did you know that 3,0000,00,00 children die in Africa annually due to starvation? Do you know Hitler killed 400,00,00 Jews for fun?
Surely you can't expect your first paragraph to put a point across as such, and then say use logical reasoning in the same one.

 I think it's highly logical and rational to be a Christian, there's a clearcut purpose, explanation for how things are, a guideline to live by, and a book that we base things off.

The results are what matter so we should be judging by that, not by anything else. A christian/ex-christian can/should look at their life and analyze whether not they have made changes for the good or for the bad. If a person can honestly say "i followed the God of the bible to the best of my abilities and i did not change for good in any way whatsoever" then there just might be a logical and rational reason to say "God doesn't exist".

Now those who have second-hand experience with Christianity, may be able to make some sort of judgement, but it's only second-hand experience, we all know that in science where's the best place to research from.
Neber
Neber Nov 1, 2009 at 8:43 pm
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yog said
Your so stupid.

For 1, Jesus didn't make your mind in His image because Your retarded. Arguing with you is like arguing with a Wall of Bricks. You need to take off the Backpack of Religion and Apply the Brakes of Logical Reasoning.

If God exists, why is there so much war and hunger in this world? Did you know that 3,0000,00,00 children die in Africa annually due to starvation? Do you know Hitler killed 400,00,00 Jews for fun?
EDIT: whoops double post
BLiTZ
BLiTZ Nov 1, 2009 at 10:08 pm
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"Did you know that 3,0000,00,00 children die in Africa annually due to
starvation? Do you know Hitler killed 400,00,00 Jews for fun?"

WTF COMMAS
Bearing
Bearing Nov 1, 2009 at 1:27 pm
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I realize that you're e-famous and that people probably know where you're from, but in which culture is divorce shameful?
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 1:37 pm
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I'm Circassian.  Might have to look that up.  My family lived in the Middle East for a long time too, so there is influence there.  In both cultures its considered shameful to divorce.
Ekss
Ekss Nov 1, 2009 at 2:28 pm
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So thats why you wear a turban.
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smallpackage Nov 1, 2009 at 3:00 pm
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hamchook said
I'm Circassian.  Might have to look that up.  My family lived in the Middle East for a long time too, so there is influence there.  In both cultures its considered shameful to divorce.
I'm Arabic. Might have to look that up. My family lived in mud huts with straw roofs. In my culture, we make our women wear ninja costumes so no one can see their face.
Tipme
Tipme Nov 1, 2009 at 4:20 pm
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I TRAVEL 5000 MILES TO GIVE YOU MY SEED
hamchook
hamchook Nov 2, 2009 at 11:37 am
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smallpackage said
I'm Arabic. Might have to look that up. My family lived in mud huts with straw roofs. In my culture, we make our women wear ninja costumes so no one can see their face.
I went to a beach in Jordan and I saw those ninjas going into the water waist high without taking their ninja outfits off!!!!!!!!!!
Bearing
Bearing Nov 1, 2009 at 10:32 pm
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Yeah, I did have to look Circassian up.  That's pretty neat. 

To be honest, I just wanted to also say that I would rather read what you have to say about arena than your general thoughts on life.  I don't object to your posting it, but let me explain.

No offense, but from what you wrote, it appears that you haven't actually done a lot of research and read a lot of the philosophy already published over the last 3000 years.  Your answer to everything is balance.

So basically you have arrived at a small part of Aristotelian ethics: the part that says to keep all things in moderation.  There are also several other philosophical traditions that have dealt thoroughly with this same idea literally thousands of years ago.

If I wanted to read philosophy, why would I come to you for it?  Why not read what a real philosopher has to say?

I believe that you are probably an amazing authority on arena and look forward to reading what you have to say about b/c I'm noob as hell, but as far as philosophy goes, you seem like just another scrub in the 1600s dreaming of his tier 1 weapon.

There are plenty of philosophers who have said what you had to say much better and more thoroughly.

You might have to look them up.
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 11:13 pm
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Bearing said
Yeah, I did have to look Circassian up.  That's pretty neat. 

To be honest, I just wanted to also say that I would rather read what you have to say about arena than your general thoughts on life.  I don't object to your posting it, but let me explain.

No offense, but from what you wrote, it appears that you haven't actually done a lot of research and read a lot of the philosophy already published over the last 3000 years.  Your answer to everything is balance.

So basically you have arrived at a small part of Aristotelian ethics: the part that says to keep all things in moderation.  There are also several other philosophical traditions that have dealt thoroughly with this same idea literally thousands of years ago.

If I wanted to read philosophy, why would I come to you for it?  Why not read what a real philosopher has to say?

I believe that you are probably an amazing authority on arena and look forward to reading what you have to say about b/c I'm noob as hell, but as far as philosophy goes, you seem like just another scrub in the 1600s dreaming of his tier 1 weapon.

There are plenty of philosophers who have said what you had to say much better and more thoroughly.

You might have to look them up.
All philosophers did was think and write their thoughts down.  It's the same thing that I'm doing, except I'm no poet so it doesn't come out as pretty.  Also, I think there's something to be said for coming to conclusions based on one's own experiences as opposed to reading a bunch of other peoples' conclusions.  It's similar to learning a new sport.  You can read about all the techniques from a book, but you won't be able to execute anything until you feel it out. 

Now I'm not saying its a waste to read other philosophy.  You're right, my knowledge of philosophers is very limited.  I want to get around reading some stuff sometime.

As for the direction of the blog, well, I may be a 1600 scrub in philosophy but you have to start somewhere.  This is my beginning.  I decided to add in WoW information in addition to what I want to write to keep people entertained, but I won't stop writing about what I want to write about.  In the future you can just skip the parts that you don't want to read; I use subtitles so it should be easy for you. 
Bearing
Bearing Nov 2, 2009 at 5:57 pm
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Eh, what I said came out meaner than I intended, so I apologize.

You're right that you have to start somewhere.  To extend the WoW analogy though, I guess what I am trying to say is that it would be more worth your time if you started doing well in philosophy the same way that most people now will start doing well in arena: intensely reading and studying what has gone before.

Saying "All philosophers did was think and write their thoughts down.  It's the same thing that I'm doing" is basically as if any other hunter made the claim that "All Hamchook did was use his Hunter abilities.  It's the same thing that I'm doing."  Obviously, there's a difference between you and most other hunters.  There's also a huge difference between the canonical philosophers and any random who wants to talk about philosophy.

It's certainly ok to never "hit Gladiator" in philosophy, and it may not even be your intention.  In WoW, I'll be ecstatic if I can get my tier 1 weapon.  You're most likely not going to improve yourself very much though without someone better to measure against, and that's another reason to delve immediately into the history of philosophy so far.

Generally speaking, most of the people you meet on a day to day basis are philosophically noob.  If all that you ever fought in arena were noobs, it would be unlikely that you would improve without good competition. 

From your history in WoW, I am going to assume that you don't like being mediocre at things.  Why settle for being a mediocre thinker when the only thing standing in your way is probably just research?
hamchook
hamchook Nov 3, 2009 at 11:47 am
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I got the vibe that you weren't trying to insult so no need to apologize.  My response may have sounded as if I was offended but I didn't intend it to be negative either. 

Its hard to compare being good at philosophy and good at arena.  How can I be better than somebody in philosophy?  There's no direct means of competition, and there is no real "prize" at the end of a "philosophy tournament." 

Going to try to respond to it anyway.  I don't think most people start doing well in arena by reading strategy guides and studying videos all day.  I think, if you take person A and have him study and read guides for 1 month, and have person B play arena games for that same month, that the latter will come out as a superior player. Then again, you have to factor in how efficient person A and person B are at their respective approaches.  And now that I think about it, the strongest approach is probably to balance between the two.  See, now I know that I'm using Aristotelian ethics, but I still came to this conclusion of balance through my own experiences.  That's worth something to me.

Agree on the "all philosophers did was think and write."  Silly thing for me to say. 
Madagascar
Madagascar Nov 1, 2009 at 10:36 pm
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in basically every single non-native english speaking culture(excluding some european countries)
Bearing
Bearing Nov 1, 2009 at 10:38 pm
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Yeah, I was under the impression that he was European, and I have never heard of divorce being shameful in any modern European cultures, but then I wondered if he came from a country like Italy with a strong Roman Catholic background.
Phyzik
Phyzik Nov 1, 2009 at 3:25 pm
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People also do things based on instinct and philosophy. People don't have to act based on emotions, nor logic. Logic can be used to solve a problem, emotions can be watched and ignored.

Live in the moment. Use your mind as your tool, not your identity.
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 4:02 pm
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I'd say instinct is a subcategory of emotion and philosophy a subcategory of philosophy.  Instinct is based on feeling, usually without any time for rational thought.  One's philosophy (morals, values) is usually derived from logic.
Secksie
Secksie Nov 1, 2009 at 4:27 pm
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philosophy a subcategory of philosophy?
that makes no sense.
Phyzik
Phyzik Nov 1, 2009 at 4:52 pm
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hamchook said
I'd say instinct is a subcategory of emotion and philosophy a subcategory of philosophy.  Instinct is based on feeling, usually without any time for rational thought.  One's philosophy (morals, values) is usually derived from logic.
Instincts are considered homeostatic emotions (thanks wikipidia)

But I would counter your argument of logic = philosophy with the movie Jesus Camp. I think that your philosophy can also be based off emotion, which leaves me with no argument except my 'Power of Now' crap. ****.
hamchook
hamchook Nov 1, 2009 at 5:43 pm
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To Secksie:  I meant philosophy is a subcategory of logic. 

Phyzik:  I suppose philosophy can be based off of either logic or emotion.
Secksie
Secksie Nov 2, 2009 at 12:11 pm
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hamchook said
To Secksie:  I meant philosophy is a subcategory of logic. 

Phyzik:  I suppose philosophy can be based off of either logic or emotion.
Kinda inferred that
Neber
Neber Nov 1, 2009 at 8:54 pm
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hamchook said
I'd say instinct is a subcategory of emotion and philosophy a subcategory of philosophy.  Instinct is based on feeling, usually without any time for rational thought.  One's philosophy (morals, values) is usually derived from logic.
I see emotions and feelings more of quick approximations made by our brain, based on the information available to our brains, our subconscious? will come up with a conclusion quickly. In computing especially, approximations are used all the time as speed is very important. It's not about being absolutely correct it's the  matter of how much error the system can cope with, which our brains are well equipped at, and of course the goal and purpose of what we're trying to achieve. I think seeing them as tools is the best idea, each one has its own use, be aware of each one.
Zezo
Zezo Nov 2, 2009 at 8:56 am
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This is interesting, but the flaw in your argument is that you can train instinct. With enough practice or training, you can "unlearn" some natural reflexes and incorporate others, for whatever reasons. If you know that in certain situations it's more desirable, logically, to react a certain way, there's no reason why instinctive reactions can't be a rational response.
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