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 by Roma Victor, Level 49
Last updated at May 19, 2008, 8:57 pm
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1500's arena: soon to be the bloodiest, hardest fought, deadliest bracket imaginable. World renowned arena champions, the best of the best, squaring off against each other in brutal combat to determine that all important question: Adjustments to your personal rating are based on the ratings by which the opposing team was queued:
Whose PR will go up 15 points?
I don't typically blog about the same topic multiple days in a row, but this is too timely. Bornakk was the sacrificial Blizzard rep who tried to explain, and justify, the 2.4.2 TR/PR changes today on the PVP forums:
Translation: your PR is at the mercy of how your opponent queued.
Example 1: Team A 2k TR/2k PR vs. Team B 2k TR/2k PR =
Team A's PR changes based on Team B's TR.
Example 2: Team A 1500 TR/1500 PR vs. Team B 2k TR/1500 PR
Team A's PR changes based on Team B's PR.
As I pointed out yesterday, this is going to cause constant churn and thrash in the 1500's as reroll gladiator teams, PR sellers, teams adding new players and griefers get pitted against legit 1500 players. The legit 1500 players are going to get absolutely, 100% slaughtered. The whole point of ELO was to prevent teams of unequal ability from playing each other- this is going to not only cause it, but promote it. I was actually hoping yesterday that this was just a mistake because Blizzard doesn't seem to understand algorithms. Nope, this abysmal change was by design.
PR selling will not be going away either. Win trading still works (due to the 150 PR -> TR range rule), but you can also PL it "legit" by dropping your average PR low enough to carry PR buyers against low rated teams. Imagine a 2200 TR 5's team built for PR selling: Seller has 4 X 1500 PR + the buyer. Average PR can be kept in the mid 1500's - low 1800's all the way up to 2050 PR for the buyer. The PR buyer will be getting up to 15 PR smashing legit low rated teams over and over. Until the sellers run into real competition, of course: other PR sellers! And hilarity ensues.
This is going to be extremely entertaining to watch. I have to quote Bornakk here at the end because it's so apropos:
This change promotes having teams compete against players whose ratings statistically match up best against them. In turn this will help provide the most competitive environment possible in the Arena.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?!?!
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Easy solution through wintrading:
Two teams of 2200+ 5s:
4 people on each team with 2200+ PR, 1 buyer at 1500 PR. Average TR is 2060. Straight wintrade to 2060 PR, and zero PR repairing requiring.
I don't know, that's my take on it. Roma you're slipping, 1500s are a level of play not a bracket, but good blog of course.
What people? Have you checked the general forum lately? There's like a 20-page long thread of ppl congratulating Blizzard on the new rules.
I predict 1500 as the new 1800 for legit players new to arena, or for 1800 S3 players. You're simply going to face too many teams that are far above your level of play as a legit low rated player to make any real progress unless you get really really lucky queueing.
Duty noted and self chastised.
As for Arenas, yea, not looking good. I understand that Blizzard wanted to solve the point selling issue, while making it easier for fresh 70's to get into the arena game, but it seems it's all back-firing on them.
Thank you, I've enjoyed writing it so far. Please show mercy to my poor casual arena teams if you're on Nightfail. Heh.
However this blog is directed to a more casual playerbase, that prefers to combine several aspects of the game with arena being a 10 game per week with some friends for a laugh and maybe some epics. Therefore it is more than understandable that all the "not so serious"-yet-embraced-by-many views of Roma Victor will not agree to yours.
On another note, being myself part this casual playerbase that prefers to PvP with relatives and friends I find this blog extremely interesting and like Rexxal I pretty much log to GR primarily to check this blog and after I have done that Jasi's and co. blogs.
Keep it up Victor, the topics you raise are always interesting or at the very least entetaining. What more can one ask?
Then he would go into a 4 page blog about how his magical trips to china infuse him with true rogue skill.
**** off, Mazud.
more than 150 points below the team’s rating, the team will be queued
against an opponent matching or similar to the average personal rating."
One of the stupidest things Blizzard has ever done in this game.
No, I'm assuming the sellers allow their average PR to climb to minimize the time it takes to level the buyer's PR. Presumably 4 2200 players can carry a buyer even in the low 1800's. I ran into this personally where my 5's team hit a trifecta team with -- count them -- 4 glads and a shaman they were PLing in the mid 1700's. We got chainsawed and all of us are 5/5. It would have been no different in the 1800's- their level of coordination made us look silly.
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