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by Wadsworth1, Level 40
Last updated at September 6, 2009, 12:49 am
Forza 3 is right around the corner coming out in October and I can't wait to have Slapnuts breath in the soot  from my exhaust on every race.  I have currently defected from the Gran Turismo fan club into the world of non-bumper car simulators.  Gran Turismo is currently working on vehicle damage, but I don't think GT5 will be out in stores until I'm in retirement.  In the mean time Forza is the king of racing/driving similators.  Below is a list of cars I want to see in the game, most will probably not make it.  I cross my fingers and my balls that they will.   If the cars below already appeared in Forza 2, well, I screwed up and didn't do my homework.




2009 CORVETTE ZR1


I'm not a huge American car fan due to the fact they break a lot, have crap interiors, suck around corners, etc.  After reading and watching multiple reviews of this ZR1 I was shocked like a taser victim.  As fast or faster than most Ferrari's, great handling, we're talking "back in time" fast,  cost effective at 100k or more (compared to all other super cars) and looking bad ass with the supercharger poking out of the hood like a couple double d tits.  Yes, the interior is poor and the shiny pimp momma wheels need to go, but otherwise its a great car that shows the world Americans can design (I think Mexicans or Canandians or both put it together) a ***** ass ride.







2009 NISSAN GTR


Would I buy this over a ZR1?  Yep.  Does it perform better than a ZR1? Nope.  The GTR gave me chills when I was passed by one south of Grand Rapids, MI on the freeway.  I would have a hard time driving this car because I wouldn't be able to turn the steering wheel with the chubby in my pants.  The GTR is the definition of bad ass, its Japans ZR1 or Japans Enzo. With a twin turbo V6 under the hood I can't wait until the tuner community starts banging out 1000 horsepower models.  Like the ZR1 we can be sure the GTR will be in Forza 3.







JUN AUTO's TWIN TURBO AWD 350Z




Need I say or show more?  Thanks for Super Street for the pics and info.
See more info:
http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0705_jun_auto_nissan_350z_r/index.html







AMS Time Attack Mistsubishi Evolution



Yeah, I know the spoiler is a little bit over-kill, but it has function it keeps this beast on the ground.  The Mitsubishi Evolution is one of my favorite cars on the planet, it has the ability to do 8 second quarter mile drag times and can be tuned to tear up the track like a little hungry fat kid tearing into his king sized Snickers bar.  AMS is a performance shop based out of the suburbs of Chicago.  For more info see: www.amsperformance.com.   For info on what this car can do:   http://www.amsperformance.com/ams_timeattackevo.php







2009 Ford Focus RS


Something is wrong here in the United States.  What are we doing buying and driving these Ford Focus's that look like your girl friends fat friend?  And why is Ford letting these Americanized Ford Focus's come out of the factory looking like the feces of a crack head?  I understand these are hard times and the Focus is cheap and possibly reliable, but damn boys and girls my car costed less than 20k and gets over 33 mpg (see below) there are choices.  You do not have to live your life looking at a giant mole with a green hair popping out of it in your driveway.   Anyways, enough of the American Ford Focus hate.  This Focus RS is one of the best cars I have seen Ford make in a long time-  19 inch wheels (chubby has started!), 305 horsepower, muscular fenders, limited slip differential, FORD!  GET THIS CAR OVER HERE!







HSV Maloo 
(Ute)


I know what you are thinging- WTF!!??  I watch a lot of Top Gear Australia and Australia has some cool **** over there.  This Maloo has a big ass 6 Liter V8 under the hood with almost no weight at the rear wheels.  Would be great in the snow eh?  Its like a mullet- all serious in the front and a party in the back.  Why do I like this beast?  Well, I always wanted a pickup truck to hall stuff around in for the house or help others move, etc, but pickup trucks handle like, well, like your girl friends fat friend in bed, lol.  I hope Forza includes this ute.







Holden HSV GTS


More down-under thunder.  See video link below.  This car is similar to the awesome Pontiac G8.  The HSV GTS has a supercharged 6 liter V8 (similar to the Maloo engine) and makes one hell of a whine that is very audible- see video link below.  I don't like things that keep whining- like kids or my wife (sorry honey but it gives me a headache)- but I will take the whine from this supercharger all day long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-TUHmyNJ7w







2002-2006 Nissan Sentra Spec-V




Why in the world would a tiny 4 door car be on this list?  And front wheel drive?  Ewww!!.  Well, its my car *****es.  Mine is not pictured, but it is  black and all stock except for cross drilled Brembo brake rotors and racing brake pads.  Its still under warranty so I'm not going to modify it too much (yeah, I know, I'm a *****).  I purchased the car new with an extended warranty and Gap coverage for about 17k (got a little bit of a deal through a friend at Nissan).  MSRP was about 19,995 for a car that can hit 0-60 in about 6.5 seconds (non-turbo) and gets 33-34 mpg on the freeway with premium gas.  6 speed trans, Rockford Fosgate sound system, its a fun little cheap car.  Can anyone tell my why Forza and Gran Turismo does not put a tuner car that had been for sale for 4 years in the game?   Yes, Forza 2 had the new style Spec V, but it looks like a fat Prius.  I'm hoping the 2002-2006 Spec-V will make it to Forza 3 or even Gran Turismo 5.  Question the performance of these Spec-V's?  See links below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRX58ECBnWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RIbdku4siU





There are many other cars I want to see in Forza 3, but these are a few I really want to race in the game.  Does anyone else have any to list?  Does anyone else in real life have a car they are going or have tricky dicked out with mods?




NOTE: Cars picked were not in Forza 2, if they were in Forza 2 I automatically did not put them in the blog because they will most likely be in Forza 3.
























     
63 comments
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 1:04 am
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Sorry about some of the grammatical errors guys, I had the same high school rural education as Slapnuts.
Mikevercetti
Mikevercetti Sep 6, 2009 at 1:36 am
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You and Slap are like an old married couple.
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 2:29 am
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Nah, we tried to get married in Michigan, but the laws there wouldn't let us.
Slapnuts
Slapnuts Sep 6, 2009 at 3:12 am
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Manginer Sep 6, 2009 at 1:54 am
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 2:32 am
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Wow!  That's a fast car.  0-60 in 3 seconds flat, twin turbo, probably sucks air in like a Jenna Jameson *******.  The intake would probably take leaves off the trees.
Quick Shot xMLx
Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 2:19 am
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I'm not a huge American car fan due to the fact they break a lot, have crap interiors, suck around corners, etc.

Wow nice import bias there.  Not only are American V8 cars(like the Corvette, Mustang, Camaro, GTO, etc) reliable, they are actually more reliable than a lot of the import crap(anything with a turbo basically) and way easier/efficient to modify.  Crap interiors, I'll give you that my C5s interior is crappy for what the car cost.

Poor handling, that depends on the car but while it does tend to be true there are exceptions.  The New Edge GT(99-04 Mustang) beat the Integra Hype R around Willow Springs.  The 4th Gen LS1 F-Bodies beat an S2000 around a track(can't remember which track).  The new 2010 SS just beat the Nismo 370Z-flamboyant-boy-racer around Laguna Seca.  This doesn't mean they actually "handled" better but they were all competitively priced cars which all "boasted" "better" handling and all ended up losing.  Just saying the Japanese don't know how to build anything with real balls(power wise) without slapping a ridiculous price tag on it.
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 2:41 am
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ROFL!   I'll give you the Mustang as being reliable/decent.  Corvettes are not reliable, lol.  I see many claims on Vette models 2002-2006.  I work in a mechanical claims center for extended warranties and I can tell you that Evo's or Subaru Sti's are a hell of a lot more reliable.  I don't get a lot of claims with the new stuff like the 2009-2010 models, but I know the old Firebirds and Camaros are junk.  They have a good engines and that's about it.  

How much is a 2010 SS compared to a 370Z?  (I assume you mean 2010 SS Camaro?)

Edge GT- supercharged Mustang?  Beat a Integra Type R?  Well, I would hope so, lol.  Did the Integra have a turbo?

Yeah, American muscle cars are back for the cheap gas prices, but the only ones that interest me are the Mustang Track Edition (due to the price) and the Pontiac G8.  All the others are too expensive or ugly (I don't consider the Corvette a muscle car).
Quick Shot xMLx
Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 2:50 am
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Corvettes are reliable, at the same time they have a lot of "problems."  Every single problem besides the column lock don't affect drivability at all though, they are plagued with a variety of interesting electrical problems(most are actually easy/cheap to fix).  Motor/trans are more solid than say the 4G63 in the Evo will ever be.

Yea Camaro SS, well a base SS starts at 31k and goes up from there when you add options but a Nismo 370Z is 39k so the SS would still be cheaper, looks better(subjective of course) and there's that thing about having 75 more hp and a motor that rapes the living **** out of anything Nissan has sold here in the US when it comes to mods(LS3>>>>>>>US Nissan).

No just the base 260 hp GT with the boat anchor 2V 4.6.  I had one, dead nuts reliable FAR from a good handling car though and yet it still managed to beat the Hype R.  I understand when you look at the power difference that is expected yet they did cost the same.
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 12:07 pm
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Give me a couple days and I'll give you some info on Corvette engines at my claim center, you'll be surprised.  Yes, Corvettes have a lot of electrical problems, but that's typical of GM when they used that **** company Delphi for parts.

Ah, you are using the Nismo 370Z as a comparison to the Camaro SS.  A 370Z base is about 29,999 msrp, so thats a hell of a deal compared to a SS Camaro with a V8.  Nice thing about the Camaro though is you get a back seat.  I'm not sold on the Camaro's looks- I'll use the girl friends fat friend comparison- the Dodge Challenger and Mustang looks hella better.  Also I'd rather by a Mustang- what is the base price about 27k or 29k and just take the extra money and buy mods and you'll have a Camaro beater.
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 2:46 am
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Also note that I put on my list 2 cars built by an American car company and also the Aussie cars I believe have a GM Corvette engine variant in them.
Quick Shot xMLx
Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 3:00 am
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I know I'm just bored as hell trying to stir **** up.  Another car that I'm super pissed they haven't included is the 03/04 Cobra, dead sexy and retarded potential ;\

Another thing I wish they would allow is cross-brand engine swaps if they are popular.  For example putting a GM LS motor into a RX7 is x1000 easier/cheaper/common than say putting a 3 rotor in one yet they allow you to put the 3 rotor in one.  Same with the RB26 into a 350Z, that's borderline im-*******-possible and would require ass loads of cash/fabrication, while they already make bolt in LS kits lol.
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 12:14 pm
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What?  You don't like those awesome rotary engines?  LOL, yeah an LS1 in an RX8 or RX7 would better than a rotary engine imo.  Those rotary engines suck gas and have a lot of problems, although Mazda extended the warranty on the engines to like 7 years or 100k or something like that.  Not sure how the V8 would affect the handling though- lot of extra weight -would have to reinforce the frame and mabye modify the suspension.  Its a lot of work, would be easier to pop on a turbo.

http://www.engineswapdepot.com/?p=626
Quick Shot xMLx
Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 2:17 pm
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LS motors have aluminum blocks, the entire swap might add 100 lbs to the car at most, that's one of the reasons it's so popular.

LOL@ rotary engines I have 3 friends all with blown rotaries.  Friend is a Mazda Tech and he has at least 1 RX8 come in every week for a re-man motor.
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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Hold on hold.   What about the LS trans, diff and driveshaft?  Not sure on the weight difference, but you also have more power coming from the drivetrain so there may have some to be some reinforcements in the subframe.  The rotary engine doesn't weigh much at all you can probably pick it up by yourself if you are strong enough without all the accessories attatched. 

Not sure why Mazda doesn't just scrap the rotary and put in a 2.3 liter turbo in those Rx8's, they have to be losing quite a bit of profits on replacing those engines.
Quick Shot xMLx
Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 3:58 pm
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The 100 lbs estimate is including everything.  The T56(trans most people use) is what adds the most weight since it's ******* massive.  In the RX7 people usually run the stock rear end(unless they are making big power), custom driveshaft(same weight though).  People seriously underestimate how light the LS motors are, aluminum heads, block, plastic intake they aren't your grandfathers 350 that's for sure lol.

Another thing to consider is the amount of power you want to make, lets say you want 400 whp on a rotary, by the time you accomplish that you've added a few pounds(bigger turbo, FMIC, piping) all that adds to the weight while 400 whp on an LS1 is a cam+exhaust lol.

The motors are light, it's just the cars they come in are heavy as hell.  Hell even my C5(all fiberglass and plastic) still weighs 32xx pounds, it just gets worst after that lol.
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 4:03 pm
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Oh, yeah forgot about the aluminum heads.  Exhaust has to add a little bit more weight too if you are running duals.
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 12:16 pm
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Nice mirror position on the front fenders.
Munk
Munk Sep 6, 2009 at 7:56 am
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You link a bunch of Top Gear but do you actually watch it? They love the ZR1 and the handling is quite good. Stop being a biased **** and do a little research.
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dub Sep 6, 2009 at 8:09 am
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Ok, here's your research: American cars suck ass.
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 12:23 pm
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I'm not a huge fan of European cars and I didn't really think of any that I haven't played on Forza 2 so I didn't include any.  Yeah, American cars are not that great, but a lot of them have a higher reliability factor than BMW's, Mercedes and Audi's.  At my claim center I work at if you pull examples from the data base you will see higher dollar amount of claims and more frequent mechanical claims on European cars than you will on American cars.  Blame on it on your ****ty epa standards- I believe the bushings and gasket parts on European cars have to biodegrade in a land fill over a certain period of time so they fail quite often. 

I do agree that BMW, Mercedes, Audi are better looking and most perform better than American cars, but as far as reliability and cost of ownership American cars are far superior.

Do we peons in the US get the **** ones brought over here from Germany?
dub
dub Sep 6, 2009 at 2:31 pm
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Either we really do ship only crap to the US or your standards are off. Here, let me show you the situation in Germany:

http://www.spiegel.de/auto/aktuell/0,1518,528201,00.html

8 out of the 10 most reliable cars on German roads are German.
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 3:50 pm
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Well, hard to read that article, need to watch Inglorious Bastards a few more times to catch up no my German. :)   I take the X3 is in top place?   We must get all the **** cars over here from Germany, because the X3 is one of the worst quality SUV's over here.  We get claims on those things all the time.
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Munk Sep 6, 2009 at 2:43 pm
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dub said
Ok, here's your research: American cars suck ass.
Sounds like someone is a little upset that the ZR1 isn't a typical American car.
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 12:28 pm
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NOTE:  I put a European Focus on my list. :)
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 12:30 pm
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Ah!  I forgot about the Bugatti Veyron.  This should have been on my list as well:

(I should have made it more clear in my post- I edited- that the cars I picked were not in Forza 2, most of the cars you linked were in Forza 2 so I didn't include them)
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Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 2:25 pm
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How is saying the ZR1 has great handling is fail?  You do know the ZR1 has basically slain every single car out there, including cars with x3 higher price tags.  The ZR1 rapes every car you posted around a track.  It's already slain the 911(all models), R8, GTR, F430, 599, Murcielago.  Basically every single car out there.
dub
dub Sep 6, 2009 at 2:36 pm
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Quick Shot xMLx said
How is saying the ZR1 has great handling is fail?  You do know the ZR1 has basically slain every single car out there, including cars with x3 higher price tags.  The ZR1 rapes every car you posted around a track.  It's already slain the 911(all models), R8, GTR, F430, 599, Murcielago.  Basically every single car out there.
Means it is like it's always been: Europeans build great cars, Americans build either useless crap or cars with the sole purpose of beating European cars.

So, there's one American car that isn't a total disaster on a track, but it probably still fails horribly on a road and as an everyday car.
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Slapnuts Sep 6, 2009 at 3:06 pm
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You are just being stupidly bias
Quick Shot xMLx
Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 3:18 pm
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He seriously is, what about the C6 Z06, the new CTS-V, both run in the 7 minute range around the Ring.  The CTS-V has already put a hurting on the M5 with a 30k cheaper price tag.  This dude is delusional he's comparing apples to oranges.  Yes lets compare 30k muscle cars to supercars or even stuff like the Caymen, then lets completely disregard that they cost twice as much.

Fact is when talking about performance America has pretty much always made the best cars for the price.  Who else sells 12 second cars(1/4 mile) in the 30k range?  7:xx minute Ring cars for 60k+?  Nobody breh, nobody.
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dub Sep 6, 2009 at 3:25 pm
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Quick Shot xMLx said
He seriously is, what about the C6 Z06, the new CTS-V, both run in the 7 minute range around the Ring.  The CTS-V has already put a hurting on the M5 with a 30k cheaper price tag.  This dude is delusional he's comparing apples to oranges.  Yes lets compare 30k muscle cars to supercars or even stuff like the Caymen, then lets completely disregard that they cost twice as much.

Fact is when talking about performance America has pretty much always made the best cars for the price.  Who else sells 12 second cars(1/4 mile) in the 30k range?  7:xx minute Ring cars for 60k+?  Nobody breh, nobody.
There's more to cars than one or two numbers, come back to me when you have a clue.
Quick Shot xMLx
Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 3:31 pm
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Like what?  We were talking about performance here, I'm sure you'll counter by saying "blah blah they ride like crap, interior cheap compared to the other cars."  I'd ******* hope a M5 is nicer inside than a CTS-V, if not what the hell did you spend an extra 30k on?  I'd hope the 599 is nicer than a ZR1, it does after all cost exactly 3 times as much money.

Please help me "find a clue," I do have to ask what kind of car do you drive?

Recent article MT did, ZR1 rapes the R8 ;\
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dub
dub Sep 6, 2009 at 3:49 pm
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No, I wasn't talking about performance on a track or I would look over to a Gumpert Apollo, a car that doesn't appeal to me at all.

It's not very hard to gear a car towards raw performance while sacrificing everything else, notably everyday comfort. Here's a hint: consider the target segment before you compare cars, consider the whole packages and also look up what goes into the price of a product and what prices do and do not reflect before trying to lecture me.
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 3:59 pm
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So let me clear it up.  You are talking about a car that is built great on the outside- fenders, hood, etc all line up and properly fitted, suspension sits at a reasonable height in comparison to wheels/ground that looks sporty, can bring the car to the track on Saturday and drive it to work comfortably during the week, polished and fit interior with luxury electrical accessories that are cutting edge?   Sounds like a BMW or Mercedes or Audi and not an American or Japanese car.  The Lexus ISF might fit your tastes, although the ride has been known to be a little rough.  Well, yeah you are right that most American cars are not built to European high standards (look at my example above with the Ford Focus RS)  like European cars, but that supercharged Cadillac CTS-V is pretty close.  But we going off subject and talking about Forza 3- only the peformance on the track matters baby, only the track.
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dub Sep 6, 2009 at 4:08 pm
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Even in video games I drive cars based on how I like the model in real world.

In Midnight Club LA I tuned my Audi until the game got boring =)
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 4:09 pm
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dub
dub Sep 6, 2009 at 4:10 pm
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Quick Shot xMLx
Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 5:13 pm
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Same, I'm a diehard American V8 "veteran" and that's all I drive in games.  You'll definitely see me in Forza 3 driving a Corvette lol.
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 7:29 pm
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Cool beans, my gamer tag is SolarRoughneck.  Slapnuts and I will be racing together when it comes out.  You have a tag you want to give out?
Quick Shot xMLx
Quick Shot xMLx Sep 6, 2009 at 10:21 pm
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My gamer tag is Quick Shot xMLx, can't wait for Forza 3 it's going to be amazing ;\
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 7:28 pm
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Hmmm, I have to pick that game up still, is on my used list.  Why did it get boring?
dub
dub Sep 7, 2009 at 11:37 am
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Wadsworth1 said
Hmmm, I have to pick that game up still, is on my used list.  Why did it get boring?
The game is definitely fun, probably the best street racer I've ever played.. but everything gets boring after a while doesn't it?
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 7, 2009 at 6:57 pm
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Yeah, it does on the career mode- same as in Gran Turismo, but the online play on Forza 2 is the best, lot of competition and some of the cars have some kick ass graphics on them from peeps customizing.

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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 4:06 pm
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That Miata tears the track up.  After it leaves the track its on its way for a cruise in Boys Town.
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 4:08 pm
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 4:04 pm
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Mikevercetti Sep 6, 2009 at 11:13 am
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European luxury cars > American or Japanese cars anyway.
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 12:25 pm
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See my response to Dubs message above.
Mikevercetti
Mikevercetti Sep 6, 2009 at 12:32 pm
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Hmm, interesting. Even so, I'd much rather a mercedes. It's what I have now, and I love it.
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 6, 2009 at 12:34 pm
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Oh, yeah, most sane people would rather have a Mercedes Benz too.  What model and year do you have if you don't mind me asking?
Mikevercetti
Mikevercetti Sep 7, 2009 at 12:53 am
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03 SL 500. Kind of old but still in great condition without too many miles. Performs like a beast lol
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Wadsworth1 Sep 7, 2009 at 1:39 am
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Mikevercetti Sep 7, 2009 at 11:09 am
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Convertible, but I always drive with the top up. Too ******* hot in florida in the summer
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Novacaine Sep 6, 2009 at 8:36 pm
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Focus RS is so sick. never was a fan of fords till i watched

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfGBRAb6vRc
Wadsworth1
Wadsworth1 Sep 7, 2009 at 1:38 am
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Thanks for the video, surprised I haven't seen that clip in Top Gear before.
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