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by Xyi, Level 27
Last updated at February 15, 2008, 3:57 pm
Many debate that the east coast powerhouse Ruin is the second best battlegroup behind BG 9, but I disagree. To start Ruin might have high rated teams and sucessful transfers to BG 9, but in terms of LAN tourny's we haven't even heard a whiff of any team from Ruin. Also 2 players on some of Ruins best teams Noxn and Conradical are originally from Reckoning. I believe Reckoinng was and is the second best BG from the start of when cross realm bgs first opened. You could even debate that Reckoning is better than bg 9 it isn't, but its at least worth debating.

Reckoning is the home battlegroup to WoW E sport icons like Serennia, Zecks(Xecks), Ohnoes, Zizek, and Kollektiv. Along with other very good players like Xanderx and Vorrent who currently holds number 1 spot in 2s and 3s on bg 9. Along with on SK-Gamings top 100 for 2 weeks the top 3 people were from Reckoning (Megatf, Chances, Shinanigans) and the top 2 have been held by Megatf and Chances from Reckoning for over 3 weeks, and popular Pre-BC movie makers Grievous(World of Paladincraft), Sunken the maker of the popular UD and NE Rogue PvP edits, Alecta maker of 3 early Rogue movies showcasing multiple specs, and Nettik maker of imo the best feral druid pvp movie pre-bc.

Reckoning has also seen 3rd place finishes in Dallas and a 2nd and 3rd place finish in Dreamhack from teams both from Reckoning. Also Zizek, Xanderx, and Hamchook are still the only team to date to beat Pandemic in 3v3, and if it wern't for dumb counter comping allowing you to switch to any class you wanted very well may have one that tournament. Also way back when Blizzard hosted the DQ riddled 5v5 tournament the favorite of the tournament The Fighting Mongooses one of te only teams to have a full roster gets upset in the first round by PVE Clickers a Reckoning team running an unorthodoxed combo and giving no chance at the start of the tournament. There is no question of BG 9s talent due to influx of server transfers, but before the mass influx of transfers if all of Reckonings talent had stayed on their home servers I could see this being a better battlegroup than BG 9 and having taken over as the Primary West Coast Battlegroup. The best servers from these battlegroups are Dragonmaw and Smolderthorn both servers are always controlling the number 1 spot in Reckoning for over 90% of the time since Arenas have came out. Players from Reckoning like Ohnoes, Xecks, Serennia and Zizek are some of the most talented players in the world, and they only thing that sperated them from bg 9 wasn't skill, they might even be more skilled than Bloodlust's finest, it was the quanity in talent from BG 9 that gave teams like Pandemic and Insuurection more success due to being able to field a 5-6 man roster of the very good players rather than a roster of 3. Also imo one of the most skilled players in the world Aellii the shaman from Smolderthorn turned heads in season 2 manging to get a 2k rating in 5v5s by dual boxing 4 elemental shamans. Anyone who says crap bg or something like that is wrong, it would extremely hard to do this in any bg let alone the second best battelgroup. I'm very anxious to see how Reckoning teams will fair in the upcoming Blizzard 3v3 tournament don't be surprised if you see Reckoning teams making a spalsh and upsetting some teams in the Regional US tournament.
     
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IKindaHateYou
IKindaHateYou Feb 15, 2008 at 5:14 pm
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Isn't Hamchook from Stormstrike?  And do people really care about LAN tournaments?

Also, most every battlegroup is the same except ones like Emberstorm and BG9.  "2nd best" is pretty much meaningless and just more proof people want to try to inflate their e-peen and their accomplishments.
Xyi
Xyi Feb 15, 2008 at 5:20 pm
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This is the exact reason I made this post not to inflate my epeen, but because people like you say bg groups like Emberstorm lol btw which sucks ass are better than Reckoning, but they don't know the true history of reckoning and how some of the best players on bg 9 are from Reckoning.
IKindaHateYou
IKindaHateYou Feb 15, 2008 at 6:49 pm
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And your reply is the exact reason I made my reply - people like you make assumptions that there are "rankings" to BGs, based on the success of a few big names.

Bloodlust is a great BG.

Reckoning is a good BG

Emberstorm is a bad BG.

People "like me" don't say Emberstorm is better than Reckoning.  As far as I'm concerned, it goes like this:

Tier 1: Bloodlust

Tier 2: Cyclone, Rampage, Stormstrike, Shadowburn, Vindication, Reckoning, Nightfall, Whirlwind, Vengeance ;(in no order)

Tier 3: Retaliation, Emberstorm (in order)

I've never seen a good argument separating these "tiers".
faction
faction Feb 15, 2008 at 6:12 pm
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sup heres the battlegroup hierachy

BG9 > EVERY BATTLEGROUP I DIDN'T NAME > EMBERSTORM/RETLIATION

sorry there is no "second best"
IKindaHateYou
IKindaHateYou Feb 15, 2008 at 6:50 pm
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This.

The problem with "second best" is that those that are willing to pay $25 based on competition transfer to Bloodlust.  This doesn't mean all the great teams transfer there.  But no one says "let's pay $25 to transfer to the second best battlegroup".
Influenza
Influenza Feb 15, 2008 at 6:16 pm
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trancez
trancez Feb 15, 2008 at 6:27 pm
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half of the players on smolderthorn came from bg3 .. this is debatable

plus ninji smells
Spoh
Spoh Feb 15, 2008 at 6:53 pm
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If you're nominating a "second best" bg based on players that came from an old bg to bg9 and just famous players in general, I'm sure multiple bgs could be nominated for "second best" bg.
Ykoops
Ykoops Feb 15, 2008 at 6:59 pm
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Its really debatable. I am very anxious to see how Reckoning does in the upcoming 3v3 tourney. And I do expect "Where Ur Mana?" to place very well.

BG1 FOR LIFE!
Gumbot
Gumbot Feb 15, 2008 at 7:07 pm
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this is a dumb post, first off youcant say reckoning "IS" the second best BG when you say people "CAME" from it... i mean if they arn't there anymore you can't ever say "IS". Your argument has to be something like "on february 12 2006 i believe that reckoning was the 2nd best battlegroup" And if you want to get technical; serennia is terrible, zechs came from ruin originally, arthas server, so your argument is ohnoes and kollektiv carry reckoning to 2nd best. I dont think its possible to claim that just because a few people are good from a battlegroup, the whole battlegroup is good. as soon as you started claiming that the SK 100 means something i stopped reading. If i were to follow your logic (rating matters and individuals represent the battlegroup as a whole) i would be able to claim that retalation is a good battlegroup... i could claim any battlegroup was the 2nd best battlegroup off of the small amount of evidence you provided.
Xyi
Xyi Feb 15, 2008 at 7:44 pm
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I never said I was a supporter of the sk gamings top 100 i just mentioned cause certain idiots like Ming seem to think it is important so I thought I would just throw that in there. Also there are many other good players on reckoning a lot more than just 2,  I just didnt mention them cause no one would no who the **** or what I am talking about. For all you people saying there is no second best battlegroup is dumb of course there is a second best battlegroup just no one knows who it is cause none off them get any attention due to bg9s inflation.
Dorain
Dorain Feb 15, 2008 at 7:57 pm
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Serennia was Ruin too, if you wanna get technical.

edit: and Sunken is currently on Ruin, if that counts for anything. He's not that good.
wwanker
wwanker Feb 16, 2008 at 5:05 pm
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if u wanna get supertechnical serennia aka avatar is from warsong, like alot of others.
Neoc
Neoc Feb 15, 2008 at 7:38 pm
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Ninji is trying to make up for the fact he got booted off everything he was apart of because he wanted to cyber an asian midget.

How sad. :)
Twoface
Twoface Feb 15, 2008 at 7:58 pm
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Smolderthorn was THE server pre-bc IMO, both PvP and PVE.

Had 1 guild in the top 10 naxx clears, 3 guilds in the top 20, and tonnes of guilds clearing multiple wings.
Had players like Ohnoes, Zecks, Kollectiv, Sunken (i think he xferred to dmaw?), Vorrent, Rafterman, Brazetina, Serennia a bunch more who never really got popular but are none-the-less skilled players.

I even re-rolled there pre-BC because the server had so much to offer.

Now though, Smolderthorn is a trash server. Transcendance died, Decadence transferred to Dragonmaw (Vulgar? BlitzKrieg? I forget), Exo went from top 10 worldwide to top 200 US (lol), and all the good alliance pvp'ers transferred off.

Outside Ironforge is full of keyboard turning backpeddlers now.

So to say Reckoning IS the 2nd best is a bit too late, since one of the top 2 servers from that battlegroup according to you, is complete trash.
Dorain
Dorain Feb 15, 2008 at 8:51 pm
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Sunken went to Mannoroth.

I could say something about Medivh and the AQ gates, but it wouldn't really mean anything. We wrecked everyone in that little race.
Evidence
Evidence Feb 15, 2008 at 10:46 pm
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I don't know how you can make a blog like this with out even mentioning the Gurubashi crews that completely dominated all 3 brackets in S2.  Also, note that the Smolderthorn teams are known as teams that get farmed by the other top teams, but stay high by farming 5-pointers when the good teams are done queueing.  Overall, the bg has suffered from the loss of many of it's great players, and while I would have considered it 2nd best last season, I think this season the competition is a complete joke.  We're holding the #2 5v5 with a horrible lineup, and players that only play twice a week.  That said, MegaTF is an amazing hunter, and certainly deserves the credit he's getting as the world's best hunter.
hieu
hieu Feb 16, 2008 at 6:08 am
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I swear to god you talk out of your ass so ******* much its amazing.
hieu
hieu Feb 16, 2008 at 6:15 am
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I believe in Season 2 PvE Clickers Q Dodged to get to the top, and then sat on there rating for majority of the season, only to be farmed by DM Panface and lose Merciless Gladiator title. However I may be wrong, I actually admit/tell people when I am wrong.

That being said, continue to talk out of your ass. Theres 1 Smolderthorn team which currently Mad Q Dodges. Theres still 2 other Smolder teams which are top 5 and have been there the entire season. My team has farmed every team except Megatf's because they never queue. That includes your so called team which "supposly" only plays two times a week. Which I can tell you is wrong considering we farmed you guys down to 2250 last week, after you had already played to get above us to 2300 rating. Proving you guys played more than twice last week. I believe in total you had 53 games played?

Should I link you the fraps?
Stop talking out of your ass.
Evidence
Evidence Feb 16, 2008 at 4:46 pm
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I think you proved my point.  PvE Clickers held #1 for a long time, before us and DM Panface passed them and fought for #1 between us in the last 2 weeks.  We lost in the end, but still finished 2nd.  All 3 of the top 3 teams were from Gurubashi, yet this blog is claiming that smolderthorn and dragonmaw are the best?  Meanwhile, Zos and I held #1 in 2v2 for most of S2, and ended up losing Merc Glad to another Gurubashi team.  In 3v3, Falura/Elura/By (ALSO from gurubashi) completely dominated that bracket the entire season, but were forced to feed when RED started feeding above them, and ended up losing their team.  They deserved #1, no one can deny that. 

Smolderthorn may have some teams in the top 5 right now, but trust me, when it comes down to the last week of the season, it won't be Nightmare's Asylum at #1.  In the meantime, feel free to brag about being top 5 (and STILL below us) at a time when there's no competition on this battlegroup to speak of whatsoever.

There's no reason to take things so personally.  I know you suffer from a bad case of Nerd Rage, but please, for the sake of the rest of BG1, shut your mouth for once.
Plopz
Plopz Mar 2, 2008 at 2:43 am
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Who the heck is Hieu?  Did I play you with nathletes back on reckoning?
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