2.3: The Plot Thickens.

I'll be honest, it's becoming much more difficult for me to justify maintaining the daggers for PvP over the other specs.  I mean, I leveled daggers, raided daggers, pvp'd daggers, but Blizz isn't really giving me very many options right now

It's good to see at least one other person attempting to resist the call...

 

Y wouldn't you go AR/Prep its obviously going to be the best build in 2.3. I think as of now and with the new hemo it makes it even better.

 

I hate cooldown spam.

EDIT: To clarify, the playstyle doesn't work for me. I can't sit there and throw out all my cooldowns back to back, double AR just doesn't work for me.

 

ok...

 

SF hemo is very very strong on PTR. QR fleet footed is a big difference. Sustained damage wise it will be at least as good as AR/prep after both ARs are used. Probably the second best build in PTR and close enough to AR/prep.

 

It's damage will be much higher than AR prep's after both ARs are used.

Lethality, Relentless Strikes, Murder.

 

How do you plan on getting two full AR's off when everyone can see that you've just activated it and will CC/snare you until it wears off? I speak of the 'visible buff' change. Hell, I'm pretty sure it's already hard enough to utilize one AR efficiently in arena.

 

That's one of the reasons I'm not speccing AR prep.

No damage outside of cooldown spam and the fact is I play with a healer, so 2 ARs are probably not enough damage.

 

keep reading and testing, because even disregarding the prep-2nd AR, 0-31-30 is huge sustained damage. in pve scenarios builds like 11-26-24 are outright dps leaders over current 41 combat and mutilate builds. sure as hell over the first min of a 2v2 prep-AR damage blows 30-0-31 away, and I'm not sure why you are preparing for epic 5 min arena battles.

You havent really explained AT ALL why you won't spec AR Prep, except for the reason we might guess (Ming says its good so I will **** on it). No one is forcing you to spam cooldowns.  All the subt talents are the same so perhaps you'd like to offer a more reasoned explanation why CD and Lethality and SF (in this era of 450 resil and anti-crit talents) are better AT ANYTHING vs 31 pts in good old tried-and-tested combat.

 

For one- LOL DOUBLE POST.

And secondly, there are multiple reasons I won't spec AR/Prep.

1. As one of the original people to try the spec, I have a very good feel on how to play it. I don't like the playstyle. It doesn't pack enough power.
2. I play with a druid healer in 2v2. This calls for long games of attrition where my damage with AR/Prep won't be good enough unless I use AR twice. With no magic dispel, it's still possible to get CCed during an AR and that's basically the end of my DPS.
3. 0-31-30 is not huge sustained damage, 11-26-24 doesn't outdps Mutilate OR combat and the first minute of prep-AR may blow 30-0-31 away but after that minute what have you got?
4.  CB, Lethality, Relentless Strikes, and Seal Fate give a LOT of burst damage. Don't knock it unless you've tried it.

All in all, AR/Prep doesn't appeal to me. The playstyle of being COMPLETELY dependent on any form of cooldowns to do any sort of damage, especially considering the length of those cooldowns and the short duration. Getting out of range for 15 seconds is NOTHING for a druid, mage, paladin, warlock or warrior. I don't understand why you'd bank everything on 2 5 minute 15 second cooldowns.

AR/Prep is a great dueling spec- but that's all I've heard of Ming doing on this PTR is dueling. He hasn't tested the new specs in arena. I have been. 30/0/31 seems stronger and contains a lot less double-AR cheese.

The choice between the two is obvious for me.

 

keep reading and testing, because even disregarding the prep-2nd AR, 0-31-30 is huge sustained damage. in pve scenarios builds like 11-26-24 are outright dps leaders over current 41 combat and mutilate builds. sure as hell over the first min of a 2v2 prep-AR damage blows 30-0-31 away, and I'm not sure why you are preparing for epic 5 min arena battles.

You havent really explained AT ALL why you won't spec AR Prep, except for the reason we might guess (Ming says its good so I will **** on it). No one is forcing you to spam cooldowns. All the subt talents are the same so perhaps you'd like to offer a more reasoned explanation why CB and Lethality and SF (in this era of 450 resil and anti-crit talents) are better AT ANYTHING vs 31 pts in good old tried-and-tested combat.

 

I think a couple of tweaks and mutilate could end up pretty well off...Mutilates non crits are very impressive and the whole build makes for some great coordinated burst.

 

mut non crits typically = ss crits

not sure how that's unimpressive.

 

???I didn't say they aren't impressive? Or is that not what you mean.....? Im confused.

 

er **** I ****** that post up I meant I said they ARE impressive <.<.

 

the reason I quit is because the fun specs weren't good anymore

I'd never start playing again, but if I was, I'd be hemo.

 

My big problem is that I play 2s with a Shadowpriest.  I play 3s with the same shadowpriest and an ice mage.  I love mutilate; for its coordinated burst, the ability to punish druids when I catch them in anything but bear, and the general style of finesse.  But being that I play with a shadowpriest, our fights don't drag on anyway.  I feel like I'm going to be forced to spec some version of hemo (god I hate that), or I'll be owned by every other rogue team we face, of which I'm sure there will be many come 2.3, considering the FOTM nature of AR/Prep.

 

I think a lot of rogues are thinking the same thing. I too hate the idea of spamming cooldowns and being useless outside arena. If blizzard don't buff mutilate then its combat for me. At least with combat you have some defense against AR/prep bandwagon rollers.