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by FHazael, Level 40
Last updated at July 3, 2009, 9:06 pm
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That is why I was so surprised to hear that a player like Kintt with that kind of history would be moving over to eMg, running a comp which many people do not think will be sticking around with 3.2. eMg burst onto the scene with a second place finish at MLG Columbus, with Flexxorz as their DK, and more recently finished 4th at the Warcraft Regional Finals in Cologne with Neiro on the DK who they had qualified with on the Tournament Realm. There had been rumblings that Neiro was a weaker player, and caused their fall in placing at the Regional tournament, so many people felt that the most likely course of action was simply for Neiro to be put on the bench in favour of Flexx, and everything else to stay the same.
However, from what I have been told BOTH Flexxorz and Neiro are refusing to play with Payce any longer because of the attitude he brings to LAN events, questioning and discouraging his teammates, blaming losses on them, and other actions detrimental to their team's success. I personally had not really seen this, but then again I hadn't really been watching, and I suppose that their team knows best. Anyway, that led to them looking for a new Paladin, and arriving at Kintt.
Although Kintt has not had success at LAN on his druid (they have yet to win a series as shadowcleave between Columbus and Cologne), he did quite well on his Priest running the Priest , DK, Rogue cleave in Columbus, and also did very well on his Paladin running Shadowcleave on the Tournament Realm. With this change it gives eMg some much needed versatility for the upcoming patch, because with Kintt being able to play the three strongest healers at the moment, they will pretty much be able to run whatever they want, assuming Twixz, Neiro and Flexxorz can adapt to new classes or specs with the upcoming patch.
This however leaves the obvious question of what will happen to Pandemic. Will Beast, Ohnoes, and Shinanigans continue on with a new healer? Will Pandemic choose to sponsor a new team? Or will the best known name in competitive PvP choose to move away from the game that made Pandemic a huge name in esports, and pass on WoW altogether? It will be interesting to see what happens. I know Ohnoes at least is interested in continuing on, and would be a great addition to any team, as he was a very top mage for a long time before moving over to rogue where he has also found great success, so I would not be surprised to see him on another team sometime very soon. Only time will tell though, and I wish them all the best of luck going forward - be it with a revamped team, or a new sponsor.
Vote for me! Surprisingly enough, I have been nominated for the... North American Esports Player of the Year Award, which is pretty flattering, and unexpected. I honestly don't expect to win, and wouldn't be surprised to see fellow EG member, Jordan 'n0thing' Gilbert, a CS prodigy take home the award, as he's EXTREMELY popular within the CS community. It would however be pretty cool even if I finished decently up there in the voting, so if you're so inclined, head on over to HERE and cast your vote, every one is appreciated!
I don't really know anything about the awards, if you get a trip to go to some ceremony if you win, or if there are even prizes, but since it's not something that I was expecting anyway, I don't really care, and am just happy to have been recognized in some way.
I have mixed feelings on the upcoming 2v2 changes... I was of the mindset that the original changes went too far, and I am happy to see that Blizzard has come to some middle ground, although I would still like to see people receive titles from the bracket, as I really see no harm in that. The way I look at it, Blizzard is in kind of an awkward position with the 2v2 bracket because if they reward it equally with the 3v3 and 5v5 brackets, then people will expect an equal amount of attention to be paid to balance within the bracket (think dk / paladin crying, then more recently priest / rogue).
Obviously Blizzard is gearing competitive play to the 3v3 bracket, and balancing for 2v2 creates issues for 3v3, which is the root of the problem. Even though Blizzard has stated they don't really want to balance around 2v2, as long as it is still a competitive bracket, on similar footing with the other ones, people will continue to expect balance regardless of what blue posts say - which puts them in a situation where people will be unhappy regardless of what they do.
However, the way I see it is that 2v2 should be a viable option. Finding one solid teammate can be hard enough, and finding 2, or 4 can be impossible for certain players, especially on lower population servers. It is obviously much more of an issue for casual players who enjoy arena as well, when you only have a certain amount of hours you can play each week, it's tough to find multiple people who fit the same schedule. Even for the more hardcore player, I see 2v2 as a great introduction to a new class, as well as a fun way to pass the time, and mess around with other players, because with the introduction of personal rating, leaving teams became much less desirable, making team hopping less of an option for the majority of players. The progression I usually take when learning a new class is: dueling and battlegrounds -> 2v2 -> 3v3. The obvious reason being that gear is a big problem in larger brackets, and you're less likely to find two players who want to be burdened by an undergeared character than you are to find one.
However if you're not even able to get weapons from 2v2, the progression becomes much more difficult, especially for melee classes, as trying to find a 3v3 team when you're running around with a Titansteel Destroyer won't be easy, which either forces you into PvE to get a better weapon, or to struggle to the weapon ratings with garbage gear. Even though imbalance plagues 2v2, and has always done so, I enjoy playing in the bracket from time to time, with friends, to pass the time, or just to mess around. If you go into the bracket with the understanding of what it is, it can be quite fun. Its slower pace can be pretty relaxing, and a good way to have some fun without stressing about how you're doing, or having to deal with two melee with insane PvE gear and t2 furious weapons cleaving you.
Recently I started playing some two's with Efy, a druid in Deus Vox (the guild I transferred to not long ago) to pass some time, and mess around with Destruction in 2s. I joined the team when it was about 2200, and honestly I wasn't expecting it to go very well, but we were able to get up to ~2650 within a week quite quickly by beating mostly Druid + Melee teams, as between the warlock and the druid, you can really lock down one target quite hard, and basically just keep setting up bursts on one or the other until you get a long enough CC chain, or enough crits for a kill. It's a pretty fun comp, and I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to play some Destruction in 2s, but obviously like any 2s comp it's not without its weaknesses.
The biggest problem by far (which we ran into the second week), is Priest teams. After having ~80% win to 2650 we went 12-14 or something like that down to ~2450 vs almost exclusively Priest / Rogue teams where the priest really has to only stay more than 20 yards away (fear range), and spam dispel on the rogue for a guaranteed win. As frustrating as it can be if you let it get to you, it's what I came into the bracket expecting, so it really didn't bug me, as I'm sure we can work our way back up throughout the rest of the season.
The point is, 2s really can be a lot of fun if you go into it with the right mindset: expect to lose to certain comps, and just look to have some fun. Basically, don't take it too seriously. The upside is that it can really be rewarding when you're able to figure out a way to beat the counter comps, or even if you can win once then promptly log over to their server to **** talk them about how badly they got outplayed by a 20k destruction burst.
For whatever reason, people are still impersonating me... quite frequently, so if you see someone with my name and tag on IRC, X-Fire, MSN, Vent or even posting as me on Arena Junkies and other community websites, take it with a grain of salt, as there's a 99% chance it's not me. I log into IRC a few times a year, don't use X-Fire, and my vent / MSN accounts aren't named anything like EGAZAEL, so I wouldn't be too quick to trust anyone claiming to be me unless you're talking to me on Laughing Skull, or PMing me on EG's website or here on Gameriot. I don't really know why they're doing it, but it seems to be somewhat of an obsession as I get multiple messages every day about it now, from things ranging to me creating a European EG team, offering random people sponsorships, playing with people on servers I don't play on, getting people to play with them by posing as me, even giving an interview as me.
Anyway, just a heads up, don't trust anyone saying they're me!
The past weekend in Cologne was a lot of fun... meeting and hanging out with all the new and old faces is definitely cool. It obviously sucked to come one round away from qualifying for Blizzcon and not making it, but I was happy with how we played, so I came away not really minding, especially since TSG was very gracious in victory, and SK US is obviously extremely deserving with the way they have been playing.
I tried to make the day in the life of video, but really didn't end up wanting to carry the camera around everywhere to record enough stuff to make it interesting, so I might end up just posting a random clip or two, or something along those lines as it's honestly not worth releasing as a full video since it will just be bad. Besides that, our hotel was right by the event which was convenient, and the event itself was really well setup, and quite a lot of fun. Blizzard's tournaments are really how Esports should be run, and I hope that they can hold them more frequently in the future. The last night there 2GD, who lives in Cologne, rounded up a few of his friends and showed a few of us the downtown, some good bars, good food and a lot of fun, so a big thanks to him for an awesome final night.
The downside to that last night was that I ended up getting about an hour and a half of sleep before what turned out to be a 30 hour trip home due to delays, and cancellations with my flights. So I ended up sleeping about 24 of the first 28 hours I was home. Anyway, I think I will still end up going to Blizzcon because the event is always a ton of fun. There are a huge amount of awesome nerd parties, and it's pretty cool meeting a ton of people who you have known online over the years, so it's definitely worth the trip to anyone who can make it.
That's it for this week... until next time.

146 comments
Bennet Jul 4, 2009 at 8:08 am
-1 votes
ZOMFG OLOLOL!
grüße zurück.jetzt hast du es geschafft!
serennia du stinkst!!
grüße zurück.jetzt hast du es geschafft!
serennia du stinkst!!
saftsenkel Jul 3, 2009 at 9:10 pm
+3 votes
I wanted to vote for you, but then I saw Merlini on the list... Sorry 
HotshotGG Jul 3, 2009 at 11:09 pm
+7 votes
saftsenkel said
I wanted to vote for you, but then I saw Merlini on the list... Sorry 
Bentley Jul 3, 2009 at 11:20 pm
+2 votes
Here's some footage of his games: http://eu.blizzard.com/rf09/brackets-wow-na.xml
Not fraps footage, but still good.
Not fraps footage, but still good.
FHazael Jul 4, 2009 at 7:20 am
+2 votes
I actually made a warlock video not that long ago, but our sponsors changed and I had to wait for an updated intro from them to release it - unfortunately the video became somewhat irrelevant between then and now with a few patch changes 
poega Jul 4, 2009 at 1:31 pm
+1 votes
You definitely deserve the nomination azael. U write great entries on the biggest
wowblog and help the community a ****ton by simply being extremely
skilled and consistent, showing there is skill in wow.
It was however really hard not to vote for merlini as Ive been playing dota the last 4 years and still do.
wowblog and help the community a ****ton by simply being extremely
skilled and consistent, showing there is skill in wow.
It was however really hard not to vote for merlini as Ive been playing dota the last 4 years and still do.
claudlol Jul 4, 2009 at 12:01 am
+1 votes
Merlini is a monster, but Daigo is The Beast. He is literally unmatched in dominance compared to other e-sports. And dont say Justin Wong is better, hes not. =P
N0thing should win though, as he is more popular on these sk and gfrag forums.
Jaedong for Korea easily.
Get_Right for NEurope.
Inflame for WEurope.
Neo for EEurope because he has always been the best CS Player ever.
Sky for China cause hes a legend. But i think F91 is better.
N0thing should win though, as he is more popular on these sk and gfrag forums.
Jaedong for Korea easily.
Get_Right for NEurope.
Inflame for WEurope.
Neo for EEurope because he has always been the best CS Player ever.
Sky for China cause hes a legend. But i think F91 is better.
BLiTZ Jul 4, 2009 at 1:28 am
+2 votes
Claud: Except that Daigo shouldn't even be on that list for obvious reasons.
forkz Jul 4, 2009 at 5:06 am
+1 votes
no offense to azael but i think its insane that wow is even considered a esport along side the others on the list. if you know anything about other competitive games you should realise wow is a joke in comparison.
Groz Jul 4, 2009 at 5:36 am
-1 votes
yeah, look how awesome I am at targeting people heads and left clicking them!11 CS takes so much skill and strategy.
Bentley Jul 4, 2009 at 10:52 am
+0 votes
Forkz, we all think you're really cool and all, but just because WoW requires different skills than CS doesn't mean it's not an esport.
Since you're in England, compare football, rugby and cricket... all are sports, but all take very different skills to be good at.
WoW is more of a mental game, because you have to have incredible knowledge of all classes in the game and be able to react to hundreds of different spells/abilities in a split second. At the same time I am not discrediting CS (as I like watching and playing it as well), but CS simply requires different skills.
Since you're in England, compare football, rugby and cricket... all are sports, but all take very different skills to be good at.
WoW is more of a mental game, because you have to have incredible knowledge of all classes in the game and be able to react to hundreds of different spells/abilities in a split second. At the same time I am not discrediting CS (as I like watching and playing it as well), but CS simply requires different skills.
forkz Jul 4, 2009 at 11:45 am
+1 votes
its not the different skill set, its the amount of random factors that can really screw a game up. sure theres tiers of skill and there is a top level but the way counters and stupid crits work make the games random in a bad way. as well as patches which can completly change the game every few months means its harder for top teams to be consistent, and adds such a big counter meta game which i dont think is healthly for it.
and if these changes (which makes the game worse as an esport) dont come in between every few tournies, the game gets very stale which can make it predictable and boring to watch (WLD in bc).
and if these changes (which makes the game worse as an esport) dont come in between every few tournies, the game gets very stale which can make it predictable and boring to watch (WLD in bc).
Bentley Jul 4, 2009 at 11:55 am
+2 votes
I hear what you're saying, and for some people the randomness makes them lose interest in it, but personally it is not enough to deter me from watching it.
An comparison that works for me is that WoW is a bit like poker (I like playing and watching poker, but the comparison may not work for others) - there is certainly luck involved (what cards you get), but you always see similar faces near the top of tournaments, even if they aren't winning many tourneys. In both you can get a new team/player who comes out of nowhere and wins a tourney as an unknown player, but then most of the time that luck they needed to win won't be there next time. The same is true for WoW... you can get a FOTM team coming in and winning a tourney, but the best teams, while they may not win many tourneys, play consistently and show their skill over the long run. So the thing to keep in mind is that you cannot judge the ability of a poker or WoW player based on just one tournament.
I don't know about England, but in North American poker is quite popular, despite the element of randomness... and I think that it may even be an attractive thing to many viewers (i.e. you never know who is going to win).
An comparison that works for me is that WoW is a bit like poker (I like playing and watching poker, but the comparison may not work for others) - there is certainly luck involved (what cards you get), but you always see similar faces near the top of tournaments, even if they aren't winning many tourneys. In both you can get a new team/player who comes out of nowhere and wins a tourney as an unknown player, but then most of the time that luck they needed to win won't be there next time. The same is true for WoW... you can get a FOTM team coming in and winning a tourney, but the best teams, while they may not win many tourneys, play consistently and show their skill over the long run. So the thing to keep in mind is that you cannot judge the ability of a poker or WoW player based on just one tournament.
I don't know about England, but in North American poker is quite popular, despite the element of randomness... and I think that it may even be an attractive thing to many viewers (i.e. you never know who is going to win).
forkz Jul 4, 2009 at 12:22 pm
+0 votes
thats a good comparison, but if luck isn't with you in poker you've still got plays to make, and with experiance can still win off a loosing hand (i imagine, i dont really know that much about it), while in wow if you dont get the luck you need for a kill they arent going down until you can set up again, and by then the other side could of easily blown you up themselves.
i suppose it depends on how far you want to take the term esport. wow can obviously be played competetivly at many different skill levels, but at the highest level (esport) i just dont think it comes off as good as say quake or starcraft, and the money spent on wow i'd rather see spent on these games.
i suppose it depends on how far you want to take the term esport. wow can obviously be played competetivly at many different skill levels, but at the highest level (esport) i just dont think it comes off as good as say quake or starcraft, and the money spent on wow i'd rather see spent on these games.
Paperkat Jul 4, 2009 at 3:25 pm
+4 votes
the only game that should be argued that are harder than wow are RTS, after that its just fps players discrediting wow when they have no clue about what the hell they are talking about (not to mention fps are not half as hard as people make it sound) and MOST of them (not saying you never played it since you ll come at me telling me how you had 80 human male mage with full savage) have NEVER played or watched the game they just assume **** and then its just mouth to ear and everything gets distorted on a lot different gaming forums and thats where the wow hate comes from
forkz Jul 4, 2009 at 6:15 pm
+1 votes
im not arguing about how hard it is for the player (i disagree with you but w/e), im saying as a spectator wow is a worse game to watch because most of the time it just goes down to watching health bars go up and down. currently i watch a game and see 'oh both rogues are low, oh ones getting more health, oh no wait he got blown up.' you can call me a scrub all you want, and sure the game is deeper than this, but it happens so fast that someone watching it cant tell the smaller details because if you pay that much attention you miss the 50%-0% in 2 seconds.
in bc it was different because the game was slower and you could take the time to see what was happening, but then that made the games boring because not alot happened in those WLD mirrors until mana got low or hafu stood in a dumb place.
i think there were times in bc that hit the sweet spot between these 2 problems, but the game changes too much because it has to. this doesnt happen in the other esports.
pumping out essays today.
in bc it was different because the game was slower and you could take the time to see what was happening, but then that made the games boring because not alot happened in those WLD mirrors until mana got low or hafu stood in a dumb place.
i think there were times in bc that hit the sweet spot between these 2 problems, but the game changes too much because it has to. this doesnt happen in the other esports.
pumping out essays today.
Paperkat Jul 4, 2009 at 6:29 pm
+1 votes
its true that wotlk sucks (at this point watching a WSG game would probably be better than arena_) but it doesnt change the fact that i see people talking about wow on rts/fps forums like its a game from an other dimension and msot of them dont know what they are talking about if you know what i mean man
forkz Jul 4, 2009 at 6:50 pm
+1 votes
mostly because the competitive side of it isnt known to them and they just did some leveling and got bored. it is/was a fun game to play (i basically quit being bad-average at css to start being bad-average at wow) and has merit as a competitive online game for everyone from terrible to average-good, but at the highest level i cant take to seriously compared to other games played at that level. i have the same opinion about console shooters, they really dont compare to pc games but have a large casual fanbase that mlg can tap into.
for me, the best combination of games for a tourney orginization to run would be 1v1 quake live, 5v5 cs1.6, 1v1 street fighter 4 and a rts (i know nothing about them but they obviously work)
for me, the best combination of games for a tourney orginization to run would be 1v1 quake live, 5v5 cs1.6, 1v1 street fighter 4 and a rts (i know nothing about them but they obviously work)
Bentley Jul 4, 2009 at 10:53 am
+1 votes
Right, because DoD was such a huge game.
(Not saying it wasn't a good or fun game, but let's be honest, not many people played it... not to mention actually watching competitive DoD).
(Not saying it wasn't a good or fun game, but let's be honest, not many people played it... not to mention actually watching competitive DoD).
Trivvium Jul 4, 2009 at 9:18 pm
-1 votes
Bentley said
Right, because DoD was such a huge game.
(Not saying it wasn't a good or fun game, but let's be honest, not many people played it... not to mention actually watching competitive DoD).
(Not saying it wasn't a good or fun game, but let's be honest, not many people played it... not to mention actually watching competitive DoD).
iLm Jul 3, 2009 at 9:24 pm
+1 votes
Az, did you wind up taking a lot of video at regionals for that 'day in the life' video?
BEASTWOOD Jul 3, 2009 at 9:24 pm
+10 votes
Should at least let you still get glad from 2s, no need to make the bracket useless
Moogz Jul 3, 2009 at 9:43 pm
+2 votes
BEASTWOOD said
Should at least let you still get glad from 2s, no need to make the bracket useless
fun for hopping around trying different ****
a change of pace
learning a new class
Why does it have to reward glad too? The less downer protholy/dk teams rolling to glad titles the better, dont see why the change would bother you unless you didn't have a semidecent 3s
Geoff Jul 4, 2009 at 2:50 am
+2 votes
Moogz said
It's not useless, it's still everything azael mentioned
fun for hopping around trying different ****
a change of pace
learning a new class
Why does it have to reward glad too? The less downer protholy/dk teams rolling to glad titles the better, dont see why the change would bother you unless you didn't have a semidecent 3s
fun for hopping around trying different ****
a change of pace
learning a new class
Why does it have to reward glad too? The less downer protholy/dk teams rolling to glad titles the better, dont see why the change would bother you unless you didn't have a semidecent 3s
Shizbam Jul 4, 2009 at 3:18 am
+1 votes
How is that different from Cleaves rofling into it in 3s? Or 4 DPS rolling their grill across their keyboard to get Glad is 5s? Every bracket is pretty stupid for the most part at the moment.
maddie Jul 3, 2009 at 9:34 pm
+1 votes
had a discussion with my druid - is cleave defined by doing AE dmg or beeing melee?
DK,W/Rogue/X = cleave?
DK,W/Rogue/X = cleave?
Zezo Jul 3, 2009 at 9:40 pm
+1 votes
maddie said
had a discussion with my druid - is cleave defined by doing AE dmg or beeing melee?
DK,W/Rogue/X = cleave?
DK,W/Rogue/X = cleave?
TeeKoo Jul 4, 2009 at 6:31 pm
+1 votes
I guess there is no exact definition. I would say a mage/warlock/shaman is a spellcleave with bloodlust and insane nuke, but mostly cleave is 2 melee and a healer.
Guidor Jul 3, 2009 at 9:39 pm
+2 votes
DON'T WORRY AZAEL BRAH, I VOTED FOR YOU
also support what you were saying about 2's.
also support what you were saying about 2's.
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