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by Ming, Level 68
Last updated at June 27, 2009, 5:15 am
Watch It Live: http://eu.blizzard.com/rf09/

Broadcast Schedule: http://eu.blizzard.com/rf09/_images/rf09_schedule_en.pdf

Saturday 11:15 – 20:45 (5:15 - 14:45 US Eastern)
Sunday 11:15 – 18:00 (5:15 - 12:00 US Eastern)

Germany local time listed, find your time difference here


US Bracket:
http://eu.blizzard.com/rf09/brackets-wow-na.xml
EU Bracket:http://eu.blizzard.com/rf09/brackets-wow.xml

Many feel the TSG DK/warrior cleave is better with druid over paladin, but Zilea always delivered superior results with his paladin. Can Zilea's first ever LAN tournament turn into a magnificent victory for Veex's TSG, the highest rated 3v3 team in the world and first seed going into the American regionals?  This is the best chance for the paladin hero to bring pride to his class.  Don't miss it 10 AM US Eastern time!  But first we have Euro finals.

EU Loser Bracket Final: X6 vs Edawg (DK/Hunter/Paladin vs Rogue/Mage/Priest) 3-0

Can Edawg put together what Realz/SK-US did vs Emazing Gaming running the same comp, and beat X6?  We will find out shortly!  Edawg went on X6's paladin right away, forcing a bubble during cheap shot but did not peel for their priest at all, poor opener allowed X6 DK/hunter making a bee line to their priest and that is not going to cut it as he went down in six seconds.  The mage needs to peel the DK AND dishing out damage on paladin at same time, Pookz style.

Game 2 Edawg had a much better start, very good peels on DK in the beginning and forcing the bubble before their priest took any damage.  But the priest was caught in a bad spot during the bubble and went from 100-0 during the bubble duration.

Edawg went with paladin instead of priest for round 3, but as we have seen from other teams that changing the priest alone doesn't do anything, the PHD just trains the mage instead.  Edawg mage was forced to block before X6 paladin had to bubble and that sealed their fate.  By the time they forced bubble Edawg mage was forced to block for a second time and he went down shortly after.  Edawg's paladin was very second hand, with BOP he should have kept his mage from blocking so early but that is what happens with second hand classes.

6 RMPs and not a single one will get a ticket for Blizzcon, how is that for people crying for RMP nerfs?  3.2 will probably be even tougher for the comp with durability goes up, and matches are dragged out longer.

Have to respect the professionalism of WC3 players, after a thrilling 2-1, 2-1 finish in grand finals, both players sat down and watched their replays immediately.  I am really hoping they will add arena replay to WOW soon.  It will greatly improve the competition.

EU Winner Bracket Final: Woah vs X6 (Warrior/Lock/Druid vs Warrior/DK/Paladin) 2-3, 2-3

Will X6 play hunter against Inflame's warlock, or will they go cleave?  Apparently they did go cleave but I don't think they have the same quality of play from TSG as a second hand comp.  And that showed in game 1.  They couldn't get the pressure out on Inflame with his druid's cyclone/root.  When they finally got to him, they brought him to 20% but a teleport later Inflame was healed back to full.  From behind the boxes Inflame was able to get off his fears on the X6 paladin and scoring a kill on the warrior.  Woah up 1-0.

Incredible play from Inflame/Kae on Ring of Valor, a map that is supposed to favor the cleaves.  X6 trained Inflame all game but every time it looked like he was going down, a simple demonic portal and he gets healed back to full.  X6 managed to kill both of Inflame's pets but DOT pressure from DK/lock is just too much to overcome as the game went on.  X6 paladin had less than 1000 mana when his warrior died, Woah druid still had almost full mana.  Woah up 2-0.

X6 made a surprise swap on Woah druid who has been cycloning/rooting the last two games.  Poor guy never saw it coming and intercept + strangulate + hammer of justice killed him.  I think this is what X6 needs to do if they are going to make it a series.  Warlock can't really peel warrior/DK effectively.  But is it too late?  Woah up 2-1.

Game 4, X6 starting out for a pet kill before quickly swapping to Woah druid again for the kill.  Is this warrior/lock/druid's fatal flaw?  Warrior/lock can't peel DK/warrior much at all, and all it takes is a few seconds to bring down the druid.  2-2 and momentum is definitely shifting.

Game 5 saw Ocelote, the Woah warrior hitting a blade storm at perfect time and took X6 DK to 15%, but X6 managed to keep him up despite death coil + drain soul from Inflame.  Swap to the druid again after pressuring the warlock early, and the druid really can't stay up against intercept -> charge -> strangulate, just too much damage and pressure as HOTs can't keep up. 

Wow, I am not sure if Woah has an answer for this.  Will TSG's warrior/DK/paladin turn out to the answer for Inflame's warrior/lock/druid?  X6 is going into the second set with all the momentum in their favor.  X6 abused the hell out of warrior's ungodly mobility, starting pressure on Ocelote the Woah warrior, quick swap to druid, swap back to warrior again, and back to druid to score the kill.  Druid's biggest problem is their HOTs take time to roll up, and when you have a DPS as mobile as the warrior swapping back and forth, it is a nightmare on his mana pool.  X6 up 1-0 in second set.

Incredible game by Woah as they kept their druid behind LOS while Ocelot got off a perfect blade storm, taking both of X6's melee to 40% health.  X6's first druid swap attempt didn't work out as Kae was able to get away in travel form and get himself back to full.  X6 paladin's mana was getting really low but their second swap attempt dropped Kae.  However, by that point their warrior is at very low health and the paladin is out of mana.  Woah drops the X6 warrior, followed by out of mana paladin and they won the 2v3 fight.  All tied up 1-1.  It is now a best of 3.

X6 got a very clean opener on Kae the druid and caught him under the blade's edge bridge.  Very bad spot for him to be in as chain stuns from warrior/paladin/ghoul and strangulate from DK made short of him.  X6 hit a super early bubble to keep the momentum rolling and never lost it.  X6 up 2-1.

Game 4 took place on Ruins and X6 made some hasty decisions.  They got a good death grip on Inflame very far from his druid, and chose to blow blade storm and strangulate on him instead of saving them for the druid.  Inflame got off his teleport with 10% health left and that greatly weakened X6's swap attempt on druid without those big CDs.  X6 couldn't drop the druid and lost their DK in the process. 

One game for all the marbles!  Again on Blade's Edge X6 got the first hit on druid, Whoa hit all the right peels but blade storm + DK dots took Inflame to 50% in the process.  Druid managed to get away but stun + swap on Inflame took him to 15%, Inflame gets off the teleport to get back above the bridge but X6's DK hit a beautiful death grip to bring him right back down for the kill.  What a grip as X6 wins the second set 3-2!

Great job by X6 as they once again came out of loser bracket to beat Inflame at the European regionals.  It is amazing how consistent this team is, same exact roster from 2008, totally different comps, they played 600-plus games over the last week or so and practice really paid off.  Inflame doesn't have to worry too much however as if the trend continues, his team should win the Blizzcon world finals two months from now with the 3.2 resilience buff.  American regional is next!  Go TSG! 

TSG (Warrior/DK/paladin) vs Complexity (Rogue/Mage/Priest): 3-0

The American tournament is not going to kind to RMPs either as TSG played a very strong series.  Big trains on priest in two games and even a mage kill in one and they made it look easy.  The highest rated 3v3 team in the world did not disappoint and Zileas is looking good!  I unfortunately fell asleep for 30 minutes and missed this series, but TSG dominated the match-up from start to finish, was never pressured.  I think people who actually believe BG makes a difference (Rampage vs Stormstrike, are you serious?) can shut up now, a 2950+ team that doesn't queue dodge is a 2950 team for a reason.

SK-US (Rogue/Mage/Priest) vs Wild Rogue Monkey (DK/Hunter/Druid): 3-1

Wild Rogue Monkey scrapped the hunter/mage/shaman comp that took them to the regionals and went with RMP counter DK/Hunter/Druid.  Can they pull it off with a second hand comp?   The druid version of DK/BM is a lot easier to kite than PHD, and it reliest on outlast.  Game 1 SK-US peeled DK/hunter off their priest effortlessly, but couldn't put together any effective kill attempts of their own.  Realz eventually ran out of mana and WRM scored a kill on Enforcer the rogue for game 1.

Again Realz aka Shikamaru/Phil Jackson worked his magic, as the second game they were so much better prepared.  Ring of valor rolled around, a map supposed to favor the cleave, but SK pulled off a beautiful druid train while Pookz controlled the DK for a quick kill.  Game 3, quality peels on with sheep->blind chain to open up fear/burst kill on hunter.  Game 4 it was ring of valor again, and hard train on druid won it again.

Pookz is just amazing at handling pressure.  He managed his ice block/trinket cooldowns flawlessly, kept himself alive and dished out the CCs/damage his team needed to win.  I can't wait to see SK-US vs TSG, the top two teams of this tournament.

Emazing Gaming (DK/Hunter/Paladin) vs Team EG (Rogue/Lock/Shaman): 1-3

This is going to be an ugly series for Azael and company, as they lost to the same setup a few weeks ago.  Zyz played terrible and he CAN step up his game and make a difference here.  And he played a much cleaner/crispier opening round.  Instant blood lust off the first hit, Zyz dished out a ton of DPS pressure and coupled with Azael's DOTs, they put a lot of pressure into Emazing's DK and forced him to play defensively before scoring the kill right before blood lust ran out.

Game 2 showed same pressure from Team EG but this time around Emazing used their defensive cooldowns much better to survive the blood lust.  Again they had Team EG's DK low but couldn't finish the job this time and Azael went down to DK/hunter pressure.  Azael playing affliction allows him to dish out good damage even when focused, but he is not as sturdy as destruction as a result.  EG even won the mana battle but couldn't save Azael at the end. 1-1.

Gorgeous game by EG as Zyz was able to slow down the DK early, and Azael is playing like a MVP.  He put DOTs on both DK and hunter, followed by a spell lock on Paycee to force Emazing's paladin to make some very hard decisions.  With blood lust at start, EG is canceling out Emazing's DPS pressure and actually winning the early game despite of The Beast Within, and they took game 3 scoring a kill on Twix the hunter hero.  This is a totally different Team EG from the MLG days, it is good to see a rogue/lock team playing this good and Azael is taking over the game like he is capable of.

What a difference it makes when Team EG is playing at its best!  Incredible control on DK at start, quick swap to paladin to force bubble which allowed them to CC him later and score a kill on Twix the hunter hero.  Great job!  EG knows humiliation and they grew into a stronger team before our eyes, can they beat TSG in next round?

It is worth pointing out that Emazing Gaming is playing with a different DK for this tournament, and most people believe their MLG DK is far superior.  We will have to see how much that affects them as they are now in the lower bracket.  

SK-US (Rogue/Mage/Priest) vs Pandemic (DK/Lock/Druid): 3-0  

I like Shinaniganz/Pandemic a lot better than Ohnoes/Pandemic, and according to Kintt's interview they have been practicing a lot so this should be a good match-up.  Kintt's druid hopefully improved a lot over the last time we saw him at MLG and at the time they were one game away from beating SK the eventual champion.

SK-US trained Kintt the druid from start to finish with triple-UD RMP, taking advantage of DK/warlock/druid's lack of peels against a triple UD team.  Kintt kept himself alive for quite some time, but was caught in a beautiful blind from Enforcer after trinketing the kidney shot, all of his HOTs fell off in the process and the next round of nuke killed him.  Well played by SK-US!

Wow, did Realz figure out the ultimate anti-druid move?  It is funny how Kintt bragged about going 50-50 against SK-US in practice rounds, when Realz probably saved their nastiest plays for the real thing.  Super early offensive blind on Kintt the druid to dispel him clean and get all HOTs off, improved CS and they drop him during the silence.  Quick decisive win and ingenious play from SK!

Brutal third game for Pandemic and they dumped all of their damage on Kintt the druid yet again.  Pandemic's DK seemed to be left clueless for a bit as he started off on Pookz the mage and did almost nothing on him.  Enforcer/Pookz is probably the best rogue/mage combo in the game right now, with Pookz's incredible defensive/control plays opening Enforcer up to go all out.  A quick 3-0 should wipe the smirk off Kintt's face when he actually sounded confident during the interview, sorry Realz doesn't show his full hand until it is the real thing.

TSG (DK/Warrior/Paladin) vs Team EG (Rogue/Lock/Shaman): 2-3

Can Team EG pull off a major upset here to beat TSG's cleave as a warlock team?  Even Inflame could not pull it off against X6 and we will see what EG can do against the #1 team on SK-100 3v3.

Incredible opening game as Team EG played TSG evenly and stopped most of TSG's burst attempts.  However Azael was still taking massive damage and Kollectiv ran out of mana.  Azael forced Zilea to bubble and scored a cross kill on TSG DK, but out of mana rogue/shaman is no match for Veex/Zilea's warrior/paladin.  TSG up 1-0.

Second round Team EG chose to go on Veex himself to control his damage output.  Unlike the DK, a warrior in defensive mode loses a lot more DPS and that cut down TSG's damage output a lot.  DK alone without MS debuff is a lot easier to heal and Team EG eventually forced a kill on Veex's warrior.  Being able to teleport from lower to upper platform also did wonders for Azael's survivability.

Yet another perfect game for EG as they started on the DK before swapping to warrior.  Azael dotted up both cleaves and Zilea's sacrifice caused him to lose HP at a rapid rate.  All three TSG players were at 50% and Zilea chose to bubble and heal his cleaves, when he came out of the bubble EG swapped to him for a kill.  EG takes 2-1 lead.

TSG is playing too passive and they need to pick up the energy, that what Veex gave them in round 4 with a perfect blade storm taking both Azael/Rogue to 30%, strangulate on shaman and Azael was down for the count.  A lot of people talk about cleave having low skill cap, but I can assure you there is a world of differenec between a cleave like TSG and everyone else.  2-2 all tied up.

When I saw the final game on Blade's Edge instead of Ring of Valor I knew TSG would be in trouble.  Azael managed to jump off the bridge at 10% health twice and TSG probably should have swapped to Kollectiv, instead they went for the bait, Azael teleports right back up, and Kollectiv was able to keep him to full, even dropping a mana tide totem in the process which gave him the mana edge over Zilea.  Zilea ran out of mana, Veex used all of his defensive CDs to stay alive and almost scored a cross kill on Zyz in the process but EG took him down and healed Zyz back up to win 3-2. 

What a series!  Best I have seen this weekend!  And what an incredible difference after EG's embarrassing performance at MLG!  Glick's "we are bad, but we are not EG bad" comment really fired up the team, and now they are at top of their game and winner bracket finals against SK-US.

I still expect TSG to make their way to the loser bracket finals, as long as they review the video of Euro finals when X6 beat Inflame's melee/lock/druid team.  And SK-US will be taking on Team EG and Azael will probably go destruction for this fight.  This should be a much more intense series than MLG, now EG is at the top of their game.

Please Zyz, DO NOT GO OUT AND PARTY TONIGHT like you did at MLG, Hafu-chan is not in Germany to drain your chakra, keep yourself fresh for the finals!  You let Azael/Kollectiv down last time, but you more than redeemed yourself today with huge wins over Emazing/TSG.  Keep it up!

Zilea played a brilliant game, little to no mistakes whatsoever, but if only TSG drew Ring of Valor even once in this series instead of Blade's Edge and Dalaran, where Azael/Kollectiv took full advantage of the Z axis..  TSG you can still fight your way out of the loser bracket!  Remember X6 went to the loser bracket in opening round and came back to win the whole thing.  Be resilient!

Complexity (Rogue/Mage/Priest) vs Emazing Gaming (DK/Hunter/Paladin): 1-3

A quick 2-0 start for Emazing, as demonstrated by X6's PHD vs every RMP this tournament by straight training the priest.  Complexity never had any chance.  But in the third game on Nagrand, the map with the best line of sight for a priest to hide, Sodah the priest managed to outlast the BM, and the RMP was able to recover and score a kill on Twix the hunter hero.

Unfortunately the final map is on ring of valor and Sodah simply doesn't have the pillar power to survive hunter/death knight damage.  Emazing brought him down during BM and Complexity is out of the tournament.  I feel sorry for Venruki/Sodah/Minti as they had to face two RMP killers in a row with TSG/Emazing. 

It is up to SK-US to be the only RMP to make it to Blizzcon out of the US/EU scene. 
     
354 comments
Hate Plow
Hate Plow Jun 27, 2009 at 5:20 am unhide comment
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raynor Jun 27, 2009 at 8:53 am
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Nvcn Jun 27, 2009 at 5:23 am
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Xyroh
Xyroh Jun 27, 2009 at 5:28 am unhide comment
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Instnt Jun 27, 2009 at 6:01 am
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Blizzard US/EU Regionals Live Blog Saturday: Zileas's Moment Of Clarity

Instnt
Instnt Jun 27, 2009 at 6:02 am
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DeadLy
DeadLy Jun 27, 2009 at 8:36 am
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Mar 15, 1992


says it all @ Xyroh
afterhourz
afterhourz Jun 27, 2009 at 10:10 am
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Cooldown
Cooldown Jun 27, 2009 at 5:28 am
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that bop wasnt even close to good, it was like 4 seconds into the block >_<

why play a class you have no clue about when its crunch time?
Hate Plow
Hate Plow Jun 27, 2009 at 5:33 am
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i'm kinda disappointed to say the least.
poopheadmcgee
poopheadmcgee Jun 27, 2009 at 5:33 am
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obv. people who are going up against a srs skill comp like phd...give the kid a break, they ran a horrible comp they had no practice with and were still able to hold back all the cheese for a good two minutes.
Cooldown
Cooldown Jun 27, 2009 at 5:35 am
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the whole hard counter cheese comp argument doesn't work thanks to sk.us ^_________^
poopheadmcgee
poopheadmcgee Jun 27, 2009 at 5:37 am
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they didnt have big red button mode bra.
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Leyla Jun 27, 2009 at 7:19 am
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The difference is, eMg were a horribly bad team, and SK.us won more because eMg were bad, rather than them being able to beat that setup.

x6 were on a totally different level than eMg.
Ming
Ming Jun 27, 2009 at 7:49 am
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Failed argument, Ensidia could not beat Emazing Gaming either (three series, two series after they watched SK already demonstrated how to do it), SK-US did.  Emazing qualified for the regionals as PHD when shadow cleave was at its peak, they know their classes a lot better than X6.

Mistakes are made when the opponent pressuring you into making them.  None of the European RMPs put out the same pressure and had the same quality peels SK had.
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kznlol Jun 27, 2009 at 7:57 am
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Peels? Rofl. If the RMP manages to actually peel anything during the initial cooldowns, that is entirely the DK's fault, and has nothing at all to do with the quality of the RMP.
Ming
Ming Jun 27, 2009 at 8:11 am
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Yes, peels.  Ensidia is about equal to any of the European RMPs, yet they could not win a single series out of 3 against Emazing.  SK-US won all three.  That is the difference, peels, it can be done.  It is called intercepting their DPS early so they don't get on your priest right away.
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kznlol Jun 27, 2009 at 8:13 am
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Yeah except SK-US did nothing of the sort.

Again, if you actually land a peel as RMP vs that, its because they ****** up.
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Yiska Jun 27, 2009 at 8:15 am
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kznlol said
Yeah except SK-US did nothing of the sort.

Again, if you actually land a peel as RMP vs that, its because they ****** up.
^this

SK US won because eMg was completely horrible and you will be proven wrong at blizzcon ming (although you probably won't because blizzcon will be played on 3.2 :( )
Mazz
Mazz Jun 27, 2009 at 11:16 am
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Yeah except they did moron, get your eyes fixed and you'll know what the Hokage is referring to.
kznlol
kznlol Jun 27, 2009 at 11:30 am
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Yeah except they didn't ******, and nobody good disagrees.
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king_lennox Jun 27, 2009 at 8:46 pm
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kznlol said
Yeah except they didn't ******, and nobody good disagrees.
except.....your not actually good kzn, sorry.
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kznlol Jun 28, 2009 at 6:55 am
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clauslever Jun 27, 2009 at 11:28 am
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Are you trying to tell us that EmG is good? You've got to be kidding. They're absolutely horrible. X6 didnt need to lose 2-3 series to actually change tactics. X6 didn't run after a priest without snares when he was behind a pillar and with their dk stuck in novas/stuns. They had no idea of how to adapt to certain counter-play and situations when things didn't go in their favor. Pretending anything else is just.. But I guess you're good at pretending.. I mean.. Estel? A kid? A social life? Keep it up ******.
king_lennox
king_lennox Jun 27, 2009 at 8:40 am
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Ming said
Failed argument, Ensidia could not beat Emazing Gaming either (three series, two series after they watched SK already demonstrated how to do it), SK-US did.  Emazing qualified for the regionals as PHD when shadow cleave was at its peak, they know their classes a lot better than X6.

Mistakes are made when the opponent pressuring you into making them.  None of the European RMPs put out the same pressure and had the same quality peels SK had.
100% agreed
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nzgs Jun 27, 2009 at 8:43 am
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What?

Ensidia couldn't beat eMg because they tried to play it too smart by peeling the dps instead of playing WotLK-style. The reason enforcer was so effective wasn't out of skill (he isn't in the same league as kalimist or zom, look at his **** ratings) but because he plays super aggressive with little thought for positioning, which is useful when it comes to zerging healers. Realz hardly got peels, he just ran around a pillar long enough for his teammates to kill a paladin with no bubble. Under normal circumstances against a decent team, that strat doesn't work which is probably why ensidia didn't try it. You can't really form strats around your opponents being horrible at a tournament.

Talking about pressure is just ******* retarded. When ensidia were trying to peel the hunter and DK they weren't even trying to pressure, they were trying to peel. You cannot peel immune classes and pressure at the same time as rogue/mage. The natural reaction of any good player when your priest is dying is to peel for him, not to go chasing a paladin with bubble available. They got wotlked.

Realz is good at exploiting wotlk tactics during broken patches. He did it at montreal by beating superior teams by using simple but effective tactics (arcane mage and shiv spec), and he did it again at MLG. Doesn't mean his team are better players and in a more balanced patch I doubt he will see the same success. He needs a better rogue to compete with the top european and korean teams.

As for x6, apart from siler on hunter, they know more classes well than any other LAN team. They probably practice harder than any other team too. They just get a bad rep because they don't mind winning dirty or countercomping, american-style. What the **** have eMg ever done before they stumbled into the 3 broken classes of s5? Payce is **** and that hunter is crap too.
king_lennox
king_lennox Jun 27, 2009 at 8:52 am
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lol nzg, twixz was topping BG9 s3/s4 with hunt-druid and hunt-druid-priest, and only just missed out on brutal glad in 5's. Then he was the only team of PHD comp to qualify on the TR, depsite the fact that shadowcleave countered it massively, and was by far the superior comp overall. Your talking out of sheer ignorance.
Ming
Ming Jun 27, 2009 at 9:13 am
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So how did SK-US beat Ensidia 3-1 in RMP mirror AND winning three straight series against an opponent Ensidia could not?  Your argument falls flat.  LOL @ broken patch when both teams run exact same comps and have exact same tools.
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coolbean Jun 27, 2009 at 9:26 am
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I think it's rediculous how  badly all the europeans are defending their great rmp teams. Suck it up boys, your teams lost and there is no need to talk **** unless you are going to bring the pain. No one likes a complainer
Moogz
Moogz Jun 27, 2009 at 9:52 am
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LOL LOOK AT MING GETTING RAGED

US WON ONE TOURNAMENT GUYS, LETS GET CRAZZZZZYYYYYY

PS. "Rediculous" No one likes a downer, coolbean.
coolbean
coolbean Jun 27, 2009 at 9:57 am
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Moogz said
LOL LOOK AT MING GETTING RAGED

US WON ONE TOURNAMENT GUYS, LETS GET CRAZZZZZYYYYYY

PS. "Rediculous" No one likes a downer, coolbean.
I'm confused as to why everyone tries to correct people on the word ridiculous. How do you know i don't spell it wrong on purpose? Just like any other internet slang *****, and that one is mine :p
Moogz
Moogz Jun 27, 2009 at 10:12 am
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coolbean said
I'm confused as to why everyone tries to correct people on the word ridiculous. How do you know i don't spell it wrong on purpose? Just like any other internet slang *****, and that one is mine :p
I just find it funny as **** when people do it, that's all

Ming getting all flustered is far funnier though
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clauslever Jun 27, 2009 at 11:31 am
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IRC, americans do the same. like 5 tournies in a row, all we heard was "eu's will get pwned, these ARE OUR BEST TEAMS"...

after the tourny

"They were certainly not our best teams, cause of this and that.."
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Pipedown Jun 27, 2009 at 10:14 am
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Wow you're dumb. Stop talking like there was any serious outplaying involved.

When Ensidia tried to peel it didn't work. They never faced that comp before but still tried to do the more "skillful" thing. SK.US just WotlK'd them back. Straight damage.

They didn't do anything amazing. Ensidia got their tactics wrong. They actually got punished for trying to "outplay" their opponents... That's the story of this expansion.

FORGIVE THEM FOR STILL TRYING TO PLAY THE GAME HOW IT SHOULD BE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO WOTLK EVERYTHING.

(P.s RMP mirrors are lol)
nzgs
nzgs Jun 28, 2009 at 11:59 pm
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The same way any other RMP can win a mirror: LUCK. ******* ***** moron. I thought you played RMP every damn season and yet you know nothing about it. Look at gravitas vs ensidia, massive gulf in skill especially between the rogues and gravitas almost win each match. RMP mirrors are 50% luck on openers and dodges/resists.

SK.usa beat a terrible eMg side and won an RMP mirror. All the other teams at that tournament were pretty bad. It will come back to bite you in the ass in 3.2 when they don't get the same success and I will make sure to note it just like when you were praising Hafu and bashing euro-comp.

And I'm looking for the quote realz said about enforcer being bad a while ago, it's pretty funny reading it now.
shindofivezorz
shindofivezorz Jun 27, 2009 at 1:34 pm
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yog
yog Jun 27, 2009 at 5:39 pm
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its actually because america is smarter and not retarded + bad like ur european teams
nzgs
nzgs Jun 29, 2009 at 12:09 am
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AMERICAAA **** YEAH!

Stick to warlock, you are horrible on rogue. I feel bad for glick having to carry 2 retards every match.
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Leyla Jun 27, 2009 at 10:33 am
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The only reason Ensidia didn't beat eMg was because they hadn't played against the setup before, SK.us also had the advantage of watching all the other teams play against that setup before they had their chance, they saw what other teams did wrong, and did something else.

I don't think SK would of won if they had played eMg in the first round.
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BEASTWOOD Jun 27, 2009 at 11:36 am
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Too bad Ensidia had a 2nd chance, after watching SK.us and their strat win, yet they still failed.
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Leyla Jun 27, 2009 at 11:38 am
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Which is exactly why as stated, they aren't evne the top RMP in EU. So, doesn't make eMg any less dire than they are.
Moogz
Moogz Jun 27, 2009 at 11:40 am
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BEASTWOOD said
Too bad Ensidia had a 2nd chance, after watching SK.us and their strat win, yet they still failed.
Not hard to roll a team a second time once you've got them pissing their pants cus they're awful healer got blown the **** up in the first set vs them

Call it a pyschological advantage
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Shizbam Jun 27, 2009 at 2:32 pm
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So you rip EMG for not being able to adapt while at the same time talking about how Ensidia lost because they used the wrong strat for multiple series? People label them as "ZE BEST" now they aren't even a top EU RMP.

This trash talk is ungodly amounts of retarded.
yog
yog Jun 28, 2009 at 2:46 am
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ensidia is here to demonstrate how RMP's are supposed to lose "correctly," and would happily throw away $75,000 instead of succombing to "exploiting wotlk tactics"
Yiska
Yiska Jun 28, 2009 at 3:29 am
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yog said
ensidia is here to demonstrate how RMP's are supposed to lose "correctly," and would happily throw away $75,000 instead of succombing to "exploiting wotlk tactics"
Sky Wow is better than Sk US...
Yiska
Yiska Jun 28, 2009 at 3:39 am
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I challenge you yog. I bet 50$ that if SK.US makes it to blizzcon, the tournament is played in 3.2 and they still play RMP, they won't place in top 3 while at least one other RMP will be higher ranked than them.
nzgs
nzgs Jun 29, 2009 at 12:18 am
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Are you braindead or something? I know you play like a 1900 rater but don't act like one. Ensidia's tactics were the correct ones. You cannot train the paladin against a good team. When 75k is on the line you can either play the strat you know has a chance of winning or play a strat that will certainly fail unless the paladin makes huge errors every round. Fortunately for SK, the paladin made huge errors every round.

It will be interesting to see SK vs x6 and whether SK are capable of playing smart. I personally doubt it because enforcer isn't good enough. The only top team SK has beaten to date is ensidia in a mirror, and let's face it ensidia are nowhere near as good as everyone expected.
yog
yog Jun 29, 2009 at 6:00 am
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you are so stupid and ignorant its incredible. you cant stand the fact ur a terrible nobody who follows this game so eagerly, and yet still no one knows who you are. i can only hope to god ur trolling because u are probably the dumbest mother****** ive ever seen. sk is better than ensidia (your best euro rmp) and they have played together for maybe 1/3 of the time. their strats work becuase they execute them better. this game requires no technical skill, the most skilled part about it is coming up with strats that work. sk did, ensidia did not.

your posts all seem packed with wisdom, now if only you could apply that to actually being good at the game.
Yiska
Yiska Jun 29, 2009 at 6:29 am
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How can Ensidia be the best RMP if they get last in a tournament in which half of europe wasn't even allowed to participate and in another tournament (ESL-I) get thrown out in groupstage?
nzgs
nzgs Jun 29, 2009 at 12:02 am
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"hey guys SK.usa beat that team because the paladin didn't bubble or bubbled way too early. Maybe we can beat them when the paladin bubbles at a bad time 3 games in a row".

You can't just copy bad strats based on your opponents making mistakes. If that was x6 instead of eMg, all the RMP's would have lost. Peeling the DPS and trying to outlive cooldowns was the right thing to do against a decent team.
yog
yog Jun 29, 2009 at 5:11 pm
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how does it feel to love arenas so much but to be so bad at them? you're a joke. you're always the first to post your insightful thoughts about arenas, and u act like you know alot about them but you're just another 1500 trash bag that posts on arena junkies.
Yiska
Yiska Jun 29, 2009 at 5:30 pm
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manana
manana Jun 27, 2009 at 5:38 am
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To be honest eMg wasnt even close to x6 level, i still remember games against sk with paladin dying without bubbles, hunter forgetting to send his pet to attack someone for a good 10 seconds in 2v2, hunter just standing there looking stupid when he's disarmed etc. x6 hasn't made a single mistake during the whole weekend.
Hate Plow
Hate Plow Jun 27, 2009 at 5:43 am
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yet they're still going to get rolled by Woah, imagine that!
Ming
Ming Jun 27, 2009 at 7:49 am
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Failed argument, Ensidia could not beat Emazing Gaming either (three
series, two series after they watched SK already demonstrated how to do
it), SK-US did.  Emazing qualified for the regionals as PHD when shadow
cleave was at its peak, they know their classes a lot better than X6.



Mistakes are made when the opponent pressuring you into making them. 
None of the European RMPs put out the same pressure and had the same
quality peels SK had.
Yiska
Yiska Jun 27, 2009 at 8:27 am
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Ming said
Failed argument, Ensidia could not beat Emazing Gaming either (three
series, two series after they watched SK already demonstrated how to do
it), SK-US did.  Emazing qualified for the regionals as PHD when shadow
cleave was at its peak, they know their classes a lot better than X6.



Mistakes are made when the opponent pressuring you into making them. 
None of the European RMPs put out the same pressure and had the same
quality peels SK had.
Offline is not online ming. emg played like scrubs. Serennia played a better paladin than payce
Ming
Ming Jun 27, 2009 at 8:40 am
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MLG wasn't offline?  The fact remains Ensidia, as good as any of the European RMPs, lost three straight series to Emazing, even after watching SK won all three.
Yiska
Yiska Jun 27, 2009 at 8:59 am
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MLG wasn't offline?  The fact remains Ensidia, as good as any of the European RMPs, lost three straight series to Emazing, even after watching SK won all three.
I'd love to see matches x6 vs SK-US and you will see 3-0s again and again. Even though there are better players than x6 they don't have brainfarts when they are being pressured. Ensidia loosing was not a skillproblem rather than a strategical issue. When you have a finess rogue that isn't matched by anybody in this game right now and bruteforce is the way to win because your enemy jukes under pressure your style doesn't fit the circumstances. Infact I think x6 would probably beat EVERY korean RMP at the moment. When the game is less dumbed down aka 3.2 you will see your US tunnelvision teams be put in place again. x6 as versatile as they are, will be able to adept and I really hope eMg makes it to blizzcon just to show you how bad they are. They only take advantage of a faceroll comp and a dumbed down game. You know which RMP had the best score against Another's ESL invitational? ******* Sky WoW. Tunnelvisioning makes you good, europe plays too flashy. See you in 3.2, inflame taking blizzcon and x6 placing top 3. Until then, tunnelvision it up.
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Lol chill Yiska. Ensidia got outplayed by eMG and SK-US terribly that tourny and everyone knows it.

it may not be repeated in future tournys but your argument is saying that Ensidia plays with such finesse that a bunch of tunnel visioning clickers can beat them. Obviously they haven't caught onto the trend that finesse dosen't work in wotlk. Tunnelvision> flashy in wotlk obvoiusly. Plus tunnel visioning looks cooler cause they just drop in 5 seconds.
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Yiska Jun 27, 2009 at 12:06 pm
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sentinel said
Lol chill Yiska. Ensidia got outplayed by eMG and SK-US terribly that tourny and everyone knows it.

it may not be repeated in future tournys but your argument is saying that Ensidia plays with such finesse that a bunch of tunnel visioning clickers can beat them. Obviously they haven't caught onto the trend that finesse dosen't work in wotlk. Tunnelvision> flashy in wotlk obvoiusly. Plus tunnel visioning looks cooler cause they just drop in 5 seconds.
That could be topnotch sarcasm :)
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sentinel Jun 27, 2009 at 12:08 pm
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haha. it could be. but honestly, whats the point of playing with finesse if you lose to a bunch of tunnel visioners?

oh well. you can talk about EU vs US at the blizzcon tourny. We will see results there.
Yiska
Yiska Jun 27, 2009 at 12:15 pm
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haha. it could be. but honestly, whats the point of playing with finesse if you lose to a bunch of tunnel visioners?

Isn't that obvious sir? The most precious price known to men: The respect of Yiska.
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Pipedown Jun 27, 2009 at 10:17 am
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That's because SK WotlK'd them while Ensidia tried to TBC them. You're under the illusion that WotlK-ing somebody makes you the better team.
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lolrais Jun 27, 2009 at 1:57 pm
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Rofl, Ensidia fanbois at their worst. So let me get this straight...SK-US beats both Ensidia and eMg (the team Ensidia could not beat), and they are still the worse team?

So if Ensidia can't beat SK-US in a mirror, it's obviously just because SK-US is the scrubby wotlk play style and Ensidia is the oh so talented TBC style. You guys will use any excuse you can to justify Ensidia sucking donkey dick. If Ensidia is so good, they would have adapted their play style to what would make them WIN, not what is the most "skilled." They had many opportunities to learn from their mistakes, and still failed.
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Right, so because SK adopted the terrible, easy and simple WotlK style they are the better team possessing more quality? No.

One thing worse than Ensidia fanboys is these retarded Americans clinging to one tournament like it meant the world.
Shizbam
Shizbam Jun 27, 2009 at 2:35 pm
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Pipedown said
Right, so because SK adopted the terrible, easy and simple WotlK style they are the better team possessing more quality? No.

One thing worse than Ensidia fanboys is these retarded Americans clinging to one tournament like it meant the world.
I hear picking what wins is always the wrong choice? So now people should use a evidently bad strat in order to earn yo internet respect points? K
Pipedown
Pipedown Jun 27, 2009 at 5:39 pm
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Your reading comprehension is bad. No where did I say or insinuate that it's wrong to adopt the winning strategy. I merely stated adopting the winning strategy doesn't suddenly make you an amazing team especially when said strategy involves dumbing down.

eMg decided to run an a comp that can do well vs RMP. They decided to choose the "winning strategy" but they're still ****.

That's the point I made don't be mad if you're too dumb to get it.
Shizbam
Shizbam Jun 27, 2009 at 5:58 pm
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Pipedown said
Your reading comprehension is bad. No where did I say or insinuate that it's wrong to adopt the winning strategy. I merely stated adopting the winning strategy doesn't suddenly make you an amazing team especially when said strategy involves dumbing down.

eMg decided to run an a comp that can do well vs RMP. They decided to choose the "winning strategy" but they're still ****.

That's the point I made don't be mad if you're too dumb to get it.
Mad? alright

The response was more to the argument presented by many then just you. This whole "lol they played like wotlk thats the only reason" while people are just ripping on people not adapting etc, just seems counterproductive. As far as them not being a better team, that may be true but hell please show me the prize for "most talented team to get crapped on".
nzgs
nzgs Jun 29, 2009 at 12:06 am
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Americans got destroyed tournament after tournament after tournament so when they finally win something against 1 european team at their first LAN they have to make a big fuss about it.

The fact remains that european ladders are better, the average standard in europe is better and in a more balanced patch europeans will do better. SK's play against eMg was nothing more than faceroll. It was probably the lowest quality final of any tournament I can remember other than Montreal (no coincidence).
nzgs
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Why is anyone who prefers TBC style play an ensidia fanboy? Couldn't care less about ensidia and pretty much everyone accepts that they aren't the best RMP in europe. eMg are an embarrassment to the game and everyone should feel this way no matter where you live.

I'm not going to repeat what I typed about strategy 3 times before. You don't "adapt", you faceroll and hope your opponents make certain errors. You don't see roger federer smacking forehands into the center of the court waiting for nadal to spoon one wide, he tries to take as much control as possible, and that is what any good WoW team should do.
Yiska
Yiska Jun 29, 2009 at 5:33 pm
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lolrais said
Rofl, Ensidia fanbois at their worst. So let me get this straight...SK-US beats both Ensidia and eMg (the team Ensidia could not beat), and they are still the worse team?

So if Ensidia can't beat SK-US in a mirror, it's obviously just because SK-US is the scrubby wotlk play style and Ensidia is the oh so talented TBC style. You guys will use any excuse you can to justify Ensidia sucking donkey dick. If Ensidia is so good, they would have adapted their play style to what would make them WIN, not what is the most "skilled." They had many opportunities to learn from their mistakes, and still failed.
Oddly enough this argument was perfectly vaible for you guys when Neilyo sucked donkey dick in every tournament inflame didn't carry him.
clauslever
clauslever Jun 27, 2009 at 11:33 am
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How can you say Ensidia is as good as the other european RMP's? EDawgs is obviously better. You base all your "facts" on one tournament. Just not when Realz failed bigtime as a hunter. One terrible and one good tournament = good player?
nzgs
nzgs Jun 29, 2009 at 12:04 am
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Ensidia are not as good as any european RMP. They didn't even make ESL invite finals.
insideloll
insideloll Jun 27, 2009 at 6:07 am
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TheReaper
TheReaper Jun 27, 2009 at 6:16 am
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Zodd
Zodd Jun 27, 2009 at 6:54 am
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except wc3 takes infinitely times more skill than wow
Legionnaire
Legionnaire Jun 27, 2009 at 7:03 am
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So do a million other things, has nothing to do with interest or entertainment.
Muffster
Muffster Jun 27, 2009 at 7:37 am
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To the untrained eye, it might not be very entertaining. Then again, to the untrained eye, wow must be the worst game to watch ever. ever. WC3 is much more entertaining to watch than wow period
Nautik
Nautik Jun 27, 2009 at 9:20 am
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way to contradict yourself bro
skzNk
skzNk Jun 27, 2009 at 7:05 am
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still boring as hell to watch
Gumbot
Gumbot Jun 27, 2009 at 4:31 pm
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wc3 is awesome to watch you guys are idiots, the only reason i find the wow matchs entertaing is because i actually played or know alot of the players, WC3 is interesting without any of that, its just god damn amazing to watch someone who is so good at their craft
Yiska
Yiska Jun 27, 2009 at 5:00 pm
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Gumbot said
wc3 is awesome to watch you guys are idiots, the only reason i find the wow matchs entertaing is because i actually played or know alot of the players, WC3 is interesting without any of that, its just god damn amazing to watch someone who is so good at their craft
Agree. There were some baller moves especially in the european tournament. All you need to see to acknownledge how awesome Wc3 is, is a closeup of Happy playing with his lowsense mousespeed and his 300 apm. The kid is WORKING his keyboard.
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