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by Serennia, Level 58
Last updated at September 11, 2009, 2:27 am
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In the latest PTR patch notes, it seems that Blizzard has made a few changes to Death Knights to try to address (read: nerf) Unholy DK's using Obliterate instead of Scourge Strike. In doing so, they removed Dirge's bonus to Obliterate but at the same time added Scourge Strike to Subversion. While that's great for a DK raider (it gives 9% crit bonus on the talent), it does little to nothing for a PvP DK unless they utilize a 3/17/51 spec which would have to forego at least a couple of important unholy talents.
What Blizzard seems to not understand here is the true underlying problem. It's not DK burst, it's not which strike they use, nor is it even chains of ice anymore really. The true problem is a DK's dependence on having active diseases in order to do any sort of respectable damage. This problem applies to all specs of Death Knights and increasingly so for Unholy DK's. Death Knights are the first class introduced with a dual-resource system, using both runes and runic power in order to deal damage. Runes are a finite resource, having a 10-second cooldown to refresh while runic power is gained primarily through rune usage. A DK has to use either at least 1 rune to apply a single disease and if the disease is cleansed, that rune won't come back for another 10 seconds (barring improved unholy presence). They can then use their 2nd rune of that type to apply the disease again but A) that will leave them with no runes left of that type being unable to perform a FU (frost unholy) strike until the first rune refreshes again or use their FU missing that disease (possibly both). Either situation is pretty dire for the DK and thus you can see the dilemma.
Rogues are balanced around poisons being permanently on because, well, they are permanently on for the most part. Wound poison has over a 50% chance to proc usually on each weapon and with deadly brew and double wound active, it's almost impossible to remove either type of poison for any meaningful amount of time. Warlocks can DoT as fast as their GCD and infinite mana bar allows them to and Affliction warlocks have the dispel protection from UA. Elemental shamans get a haste buff if their flame shock is dispelled. Shadow priests deal a lot of damage and get mana returned if VT is dispelled. Basically the trend here is that every melee, caster, or hybrid class that relies on their debuffs being up have reliable ways of keeping them on and/or deterrents to dispelling them. DK's have none of these.
There's no easy way to fix this problem while keeping things balanced for both PvE and PvP but I think the most reasonable suggestion that I've come across is to have the target of dispel receive damage equal to all remaining DoT damage on the disease. Thus, if a blood plague were to deal 3000 damage over it's duration and got dispelled half-way through, the target of dispel would receive 1500 damage as a result. Sure, the numbers could be tweaked and fine tuned and all but the idea is sound and is something Blizzard should consider in order to fix the real problem that arena DK's have right now.
Aion Hype Dying?
If you followed this website about 2 months ago, you'd be very familar with the myriad of blogs being posted around discussing Aion in it's beta and everyone's experiences with it. Typically when a game with that much popularity nears release, the talk only grows as anticipation raises for the retail launch. However, with Aion, it seems to be quite the opposite as hype and publicity for it seems to have died down tremendously.
So what could be the cause for this, if it's even true? If I had to pin it on something, I would probably have to say Blizzard's rather impressive showcase for Cataclysm at Blizzcon. Blizzard unveiled enormous and game-breaking development plans; things that will entirely change the game from how we know it at all right now. Then you have the two new races with super overpowered racials and who exactly wouldn't want to buy the expansion? I still keep the stance that Blizzard is being overly ambitious with their plans but whether that will be true or not, they showcased it well and definitely caught the attention of their massive playerbase.
Personally, I'm probably going to at least try it out and see how much I enjoy the version of Aion planned for release (which I believe is 1.5), and go from there without making any permanent decisions of quitting anything. Some people that I know that pre-ordered, however, have cancelled their pre-order while others are still eagerly awaiting the 22nd of this month for the official launch. So, I figured I'd put this to a poll whether or not the readers here will try it out or not:

188 comments
CntCmE Sep 11, 2009 at 2:32 am
+35 votes
been up all night to get a phuoc first!
thanks to everyone who supported me over the years, to the ones upvoting all my colorful jokes, my mum and of course all EU heroes!
thanks to everyone who supported me over the years, to the ones upvoting all my colorful jokes, my mum and of course all EU heroes!
caretony Sep 11, 2009 at 3:00 am
+2 votes
Aion looks like a pve piece of crap. CBA playing boring pve again
also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Y9-JlSRXw
also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Y9-JlSRXw
Triadar Sep 11, 2009 at 3:08 am
+7 votes
aion died coz you stopped writing about it vance
shame on you
shame on you
Klynx Sep 11, 2009 at 3:20 pm
+0 votes
Naskos said
good read
"Death Knights are the first class introduced with a dual-resource
system, using both runes and runic power in order to deal damage. Runes
are a finite resource, having a 10-second cooldown to refresh while
runic power is gained primarily through rune usage."
Hmm, first class? I guess Hershey bars don't keep the brain running very well - what about ROGUES, Phuoc? dual resources of combo points and energy? Ring a bell?
Klynx Sep 11, 2009 at 5:21 pm
-1 votes
It's the opposite, they are almost identical resource dynamics, just upside-down versions of each other.
Rogues spend energy that regens at a set rate (changeable with talents) to gain CPs
DKs spend runes that regen at a set rate (changeable with talents that create death runes to allow heavy usage of certain rune types) to gain runic power that they can dump on other finisher-type abilities.
They're REALLY similar and definitely both dual-resource classes. Not to mention feral druids.
Rogues spend energy that regens at a set rate (changeable with talents) to gain CPs
DKs spend runes that regen at a set rate (changeable with talents that create death runes to allow heavy usage of certain rune types) to gain runic power that they can dump on other finisher-type abilities.
They're REALLY similar and definitely both dual-resource classes. Not to mention feral druids.
Rioter Sep 11, 2009 at 6:52 pm
-1 votes
Except the combo points basically define the strength of the finisher, and outside of having 1 CP, it's energy that dictates if you can use them. The finishers as blizzard sees them for DK's are the strikes Ob, SS, DS. And those are increased by the application of diseases.
It's obviously a hybridized system, but I don't think he's being retarded, I just think he's defining it oddly.
It's obviously a hybridized system, but I don't think he's being retarded, I just think he's defining it oddly.
BLiTZ Sep 11, 2009 at 2:34 am
+1 votes
In before absolutely horrible "HEY I'LL GIVE U 2 HERSHEY BARS FOR UR IPOD U HOMELESS NERD" references that stopped being funny days ago.
On a side note, decent blog I guess? You're missing the spark that made your earlier blogs fun to read, Vance. Hoping the rumors of you not having played your DK this season aren't true, considering that's pretty much what led to Jasi's quality disappearing.
(lol at everyone who posts 'a' then edits with a legitimate comment afterward, as if they read the article :P)
On a side note, decent blog I guess? You're missing the spark that made your earlier blogs fun to read, Vance. Hoping the rumors of you not having played your DK this season aren't true, considering that's pretty much what led to Jasi's quality disappearing.
(lol at everyone who posts 'a' then edits with a legitimate comment afterward, as if they read the article :P)
frostitute Sep 11, 2009 at 10:35 am
+6 votes
unlike jasi
serennia can still get glad with any of warrior, dk, druid and maybe challenger on pally if he really tried
serennia can still get glad with any of warrior, dk, druid and maybe challenger on pally if he really tried
Drexciya Sep 11, 2009 at 2:43 am
+2 votes
I will probably cancel my Aion pre-order, the Cataclysm expansion just seems too good to pass on.
Celeras Sep 11, 2009 at 7:09 am
+0 votes
I let it go when Serennia said that Cataclysm was 'rather impressive' because well, its fking phuoc. But I won't tolerate having to read that its 'too good to pass on' from some random nobody.
Seriously, what the **** are you people on. It looks like garbage.
Seriously, what the **** are you people on. It looks like garbage.
Kappadozius Sep 11, 2009 at 7:35 am
+2 votes
You are not the only one expressing this opinion & i certainly share the sentiment myself, but take a step back & ask yourself what blizzard should have done to make you buy the next expension.
For me it is just the game itself, maybe even the genre, getting old & the class design already overshooting what once has been good design (symptoms beeing: stupid balance band aid ala unrelenting assault / one trick pony 51 pointers / instant cast spam, etc).
For me it is just the game itself, maybe even the genre, getting old & the class design already overshooting what once has been good design (symptoms beeing: stupid balance band aid ala unrelenting assault / one trick pony 51 pointers / instant cast spam, etc).
Strongsville Sep 11, 2009 at 11:01 am
+1 votes
yeah but in the end, wow is wow. it's still going to be the same game.
BodisUncle Sep 11, 2009 at 2:48 am
-2 votes
Putto said
Hey Serennia, if you're ever in need I'll let you stay in my house, you don't even have to pay me hershey bars, I'm just that nice of a person.
BodisUncle Sep 11, 2009 at 3:03 am
+1 votes
BLiTZ said
http://tinyurl.com/mrd2bc
Oh god, a link to your comment. That was just annoying, I would have rather saw the youtube 'funny' video now.
Notforbin Sep 11, 2009 at 2:46 am
+7 votes
No one ever wanted to play Aion, you're just emo about WoW.
StoneDrunk Sep 11, 2009 at 7:51 am
-1 votes
honestly, this game is years ahead of WoW in some areas.
but mainly behind.
but ahead compared to WoW at release.
but mainly behind.
but ahead compared to WoW at release.
THA3L91 Sep 11, 2009 at 10:44 am
-1 votes
lol duh. really stupid response.
they copied everything from wow. if wow had a game like itself upon release, it would've have been a much different game.
they copied everything from wow. if wow had a game like itself upon release, it would've have been a much different game.
StoneDrunk Sep 11, 2009 at 11:10 am
+3 votes
thats dumb. WoW and Aion are following stereotypical molds of MMO games. WoW didn't invent any concepts until battlegrounds and arena and those were still done on a smaller scale.
There a so many little things different about Aion. Its similar to WoW but it is definately not a copy.
There a so many little things different about Aion. Its similar to WoW but it is definately not a copy.
Ingredientsbg9 Sep 11, 2009 at 11:24 am
-3 votes
It's funny that noone played any mmo's prior to wow, so they think anything after it is a wowclone. Wow is a complete clone of DaoC and EQ, so why is it never referred to it as such? Oh because 99% of you idiot scrubs at gameriot can't do anything but zealously scream "nerf anything that is not RMP, down with any other mmo because it's a wow clone!!".
I'm personally GLAD that none of you idiots are playing aion, thank god. WoW has the worst community of players i've ever seen before. Wc3 players were so professional and well mannered, wow is a cesspool of teenage angst and anguish personified into a video game.
I'm personally GLAD that none of you idiots are playing aion, thank god. WoW has the worst community of players i've ever seen before. Wc3 players were so professional and well mannered, wow is a cesspool of teenage angst and anguish personified into a video game.
StoneDrunk Sep 11, 2009 at 11:27 am
+0 votes
what server are you rolling on? Please don't say Siel or Israphel. Those are zerg servers 
Ingredientsbg9 Sep 11, 2009 at 11:39 am
+1 votes
I'm in veev's guild on siel, only because I know of 10-20 really good glads rolling there, as well as some pro wc3 players. I've thought about rolling asmo on siel as well though, so I could pvp against veev and his guys.
I don't think I would enjoy the game if I rolled on another server besides siel. I think there would end up being 1-2 good players on the entire server and I would end up mindlessly rolling idiots all day like I did in wow. Which isn't fun , i'd rather roll on a server where I know all the good players are going :[
I don't think I would enjoy the game if I rolled on another server besides siel. I think there would end up being 1-2 good players on the entire server and I would end up mindlessly rolling idiots all day like I did in wow. Which isn't fun , i'd rather roll on a server where I know all the good players are going :[
StoneDrunk Sep 11, 2009 at 11:52 am
+1 votes
Elyos or Asmo? and is it open recruitment?
i was like the 2nd person in open beta to hit 30.
i was like the 2nd person in open beta to hit 30.
Ingredientsbg9 Sep 11, 2009 at 12:00 pm
+1 votes
Veevs guild is Elyos, recruitment is closed but people can always fill out apps. Rolling asmo on siel though is gonna be a smart choice, lot of good players to pvp against. Prolly what i'm going to do as well.
Rippley Sep 11, 2009 at 1:47 pm
+1 votes
Ingredientsbg9 said
It's funny that noone played any mmo's prior to wow, so they think anything after it is a wowclone. Wow is a complete clone of DaoC and EQ, so why is it never referred to it as such? Oh because 99% of you idiot scrubs at gameriot can't do anything but zealously scream "nerf anything that is not RMP, down with any other mmo because it's a wow clone!!".
I'm personally GLAD that none of you idiots are playing aion, thank god. WoW has the worst community of players i've ever seen before. Wc3 players were so professional and well mannered, wow is a cesspool of teenage angst and anguish personified into a video game.
I'm personally GLAD that none of you idiots are playing aion, thank god. WoW has the worst community of players i've ever seen before. Wc3 players were so professional and well mannered, wow is a cesspool of teenage angst and anguish personified into a video game.
Ingredientsbg9 Sep 11, 2009 at 2:23 pm
-2 votes
Rippley said
This from the guy who posted the serennia/hershey photoshop above? Professional and well mannered much?
P.S Defending nerd raging homeless people who steal Ipods is bad mannered.
Aksentgg Sep 11, 2009 at 3:21 pm
-1 votes
[West] SielGMT-8/ PST[West] IsraphelGMT-8 / PST[West] NezekanGMT-8 /
PST[West] TrinielGMT-8 / PST[West] VaizelGMT-8 / PST[West] ZikelGMT-8 /
PST[East] ArielGMT-5 / EST[East] AzphelGMT-5 / EST[East] KaisinelGMT-5
/ EST[East] LumielGMT-5 / EST[East] MarchutanGMT-5 / EST[East]
YustielGMT-5 / EST
direct copy paste from their nerd facebook page.
PST[West] TrinielGMT-8 / PST[West] VaizelGMT-8 / PST[West] ZikelGMT-8 /
PST[East] ArielGMT-5 / EST[East] AzphelGMT-5 / EST[East] KaisinelGMT-5
/ EST[East] LumielGMT-5 / EST[East] MarchutanGMT-5 / EST[East]
YustielGMT-5 / EST
direct copy paste from their nerd facebook page.
Rippley Sep 11, 2009 at 3:22 pm
+0 votes
I wonder if the Aion community will enjoy last weeks jokes in a professional well-mannered way. Us here in WoW land like our jokes cutting edge and current. Also, Lusitania is the photoshop hero here on wom. Wannabes are just wannabes.
Soul Sep 12, 2009 at 6:26 pm
+0 votes
Seriously have you ever played WC3? Most of the players are like 15 years old and incredibly annoying / decidedly UNPROFESSIONAL. Lol @ a game with a player base that is "so professional." These are video games.
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