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by Ming, Level 68
Last updated at November 9, 2009, 1:06 am
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Serennia-sama was supposed to take over bracket play, but I got this message at 6PM:
I have an excrutiatingly painful toothe ache, had to call a doctor and im leaving soon for it i think... hurts so bad its unreal - Serennia-sama
BG9 Got Egged On
At the end of season 6, Americans took 1st and 4th spots of the Blizzcon world finals. Global champion Zilea and TSG steam rolled the competition with their innovative triple plate style (it was honestly the Button Basher of triple plate's). American RMPs defeated Korean/European RMPs with ease at MLG's. We were at the time, unquestionably top of the food chain in WOW competition.
Then at the start of season 7, everyone transferred to BG9, thinking it would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the only one against this move. The strength of America is not built upon centralized power, it is built upon our vibrant diversity. White bread Humans, taco eating orcs, big black taurens and number crunching gnomes all contribute to the success of our country.
Likewise, American arena is at its best when we have quality teams from every BG, arena interest growing EVERYWHERE and no one really knew who the top team was. This creates passion across a greater population, and desire to get better because any BG can produce a superstar team that ends up taking home the world title. It is the American dream. And it is what makes us strong.
BG9 has never won a world title, and it was embarrassing to watch six BG9 teams, playing at home in an All-American tournament, none of them make top two against the two foreign teams. And we had 3 of BG9's top 10 teams there, 2 from top 3. Watching BHMC vs SK-EU, or Complexity's performance against X6/SK-EU compared to Button Basher, the BG9 teams were simply not in the same league.
Even with Flexx connecting a power slam on the guy who egged him on Friday, sending him through a table at TGI Friday's that required five stitches, he did not have enough strength to carry the Checksix beast cleave into the grand finals. Button Basher is an incredible team, but Checksix made crucial mistakes compared to the Koreans, who played with surgical precision.
Fortunately, end of season is coming. You will see top teams transfer off BG9 and play on other BGs for titles. Arena interest will be rejuvenated across the board, and you will see the next wave of top American teams, home grown from their native BGs. Friendship from native BGs still produce all-organic teams with lasting chemistry, just ask Numberone/Orangemamalade who went through so many tournaments together.
American teams play best when they feel like the underdogs, when they have nothing to lose. Anytime they think they are the best BG, that they know everything there is to know about arena comp balance, they stop improving their executions and get embarrassed by teams like BB/SK-EU, who truly believe in their comp regardless of what they are up against. With BB showing everyone the way RMP is meant to be played yet again, I believe it will make every American player a student of the game again, instead of crying about imbalances.
Blizzard Still Knows Their Game Better Than Anyone
It is amazing how everyone cried murder on beast cleave, yet Blizzard only nerfed the comp slightly and said "it is sufficient, we are sticking to our guns because this is not a popular comp on live". And yes, it was sufficient, I am not sure how you can make this comp less scrub friendly without completely gutting it for high level play.
And it is not a popular comp for a good reason. While beast cleave is extremely accessible to players trying to score low end gladiator titles in the 2400-2500 range, to get anywhere near top of the BG as this comp still requires a lot of work. In fact, while there are shaman/hunter/paladin teams on SK-100 3v3, very few of the shamans are actually enhancement!
The beast cleave comp reminds me of my own rogue/ret/priest team. For our team to beat any of the SK-100 3v3 comps, we get a good opener on a healer, blow all of our CDs into him and score a kill in seconds. It looks like we just zerged someone down when in reality there is a lot of little things that separate say, Furious Gladiator Euneek's team and ours. For most people, they see "too much damage" in a few seconds and call it a scrub comp, when the truth is, we simply don't have enough options to play differently, and every global counts during the rush down.
Beast cleave is the same way. Zerging people down with lusted wolves and BM doesn't look as pretty as BB's impeccably clean/crisp target swaps, but again, if they fail, more often than not they lost already. I have no idea why didn't warlocks abuse Z-axis more often against that team, but after watching SK-EU finally playing it properly, I actually don't think beast cleave can beat shadow cleave on Blade's Edge / Dalaran at all. Jump down, teleport up, I really don't see how beast cleave can score the early warlock kill they need to win.
If you watch the replays and follow Twix closely, you will see the little plays he made to differentiate his beast cleave from others. He uses disengage offensively with great precision and has excellent frost trap placement when the target is trying to hide behind pillars. Flexx actually gets a lot of focus hex/shocks and has really good anticipation on his totems. Toez had late bubble a few games but for the most part he played solid under pressure as well in some of their 3-2 wins.
Yes, we can pick on all the little mistakes they made, but the reality is this comp's clock ticks almost as fast as the RMP. If it is easy to consistently rush down a top team during the 45 seconds (especially against the more defensive teams), others would be running it already. There is a lot more to it, it is just a lot harder for a BM hunter to show skill compared to a mage, because he simply doesn't have the same number of options.
Button Basher: Skill > All
Watching Button Basher playing RMP is like watching Daigo playing Ryu, the most balanced character that everyone plays, but no one can play like Daigo. His sheer talent may not be enough to win every tourney, but win or lose, he is the crowd favorite, and he wins enough tournaments to be considered a legend. When you lose to him, you feel outplayed, not outcomped.
While Reckful-kun has been busy streaming high light reels, launching Reckful.com, the Koreans played thousands of games, often wearing outdated gear to increase the difficulty level, handicapping themselves to perfect their swaps and defensive plays. When everyone thought S5 gear was too low in damage for RMP to do well, Button Basher scored kill after kill after kill on SK-EU's druid Enigma.
Hiren is an amazing rogue individually, ahead of any rogue in this tournament, but what made him special was the way he synced up with Orange. Always a clean cloak vanish CS when Orange made the swap. Always there to dish out a full bar of energy when Orange got his hard cast off. Always made the right peels when his team most needed it. And more importantly, patient enough to land 80% of his openers and vanish CS's. It is scary to play against BB. It is almost like going up against three Pain's with three Rinnegans. It is like the precision of one player with 800 APM micro managing three characters.
I am a big fan of Reckful-kun, but I think he is going down Neilyo-kun's path. Stop the Reckful.com project for a while, practice and practice some more with your team, you guys can do better, you just have to believe in the strength of RMP again. Time to stop watching your own streams, and watch the BB replays, you can do it too, believe it!

312 comments
Pixizzle Nov 9, 2009 at 9:52 am
+4 votes
EU has not won a single tournament since WOTLK released: True.
poega Nov 9, 2009 at 10:12 am
-2 votes
Americas performance in this tourney was painfully embarrasing. 2 non us teams in tourney. Both of them dominate the whole tourney and the only trouble was the lameass beast cleave. Dont even talk.
Charr3d Nov 9, 2009 at 5:15 am
+36 votes
"Then at the start of season 7, everyone transferred to BG9, thinking it
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
Charr3d Nov 9, 2009 at 6:53 am
+13 votes
Capstone said
There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
how about the one that plays a couple hours a week and goes to college
nerd
how about the one that plays a couple hours a week and goes to college
nerd
Nice attempt at derailing though.
Besides that, looking at how the economical crisis was started by America, obesity rates & some of the dumb **** you people over there come up with time after time, I'm not really sure if it would be a good idea for you to derail the thread in that direction.
Capstone Nov 9, 2009 at 6:04 pm
+9 votes
Charr3d said
This isn't an argument about RL vs WoW. This is about who are the top contenders in WoW, regardless of they are turbonerds or not.
Nice attempt at derailing though.
Besides that, looking at how the economical crisis was started by America, obesity rates & some of the dumb **** you people over there come up with time after time, I'm not really sure if it would be a good idea for you to derail the thread in that direction.
Nice attempt at derailing though.
Besides that, looking at how the economical crisis was started by America, obesity rates & some of the dumb **** you people over there come up with time after time, I'm not really sure if it would be a good idea for you to derail the thread in that direction.
There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
sounds like you need to step away from wow for a little while
first of all, the US is a country, europe is a continent. second, if you really believe that which hemisphere the players are from has any effect on how much aptitude for world of warcraft they have, you are even more far gone than i thought
i like how people make jokes about the nerds that argue over star wars and star trek, completely neglecting the hypernerds that argue about whether the US has better wow players than europe
Capstone Nov 9, 2009 at 6:37 pm
+7 votes
Charr3d said
Ive quit wow 2 months ago, you were saying?
First of all, you're ******* retarded. The state classification is completly different in the US compared to Europe.
Second if you don't believe that where players come from has an effect on how they perform, you're beyond repair. The way people look at games, the support they get, the publicity a game get, the time they focus onto it,... It's all so much related to where a player comes from. Why do you think Korea reigns the starcraft scene so badly? Korea has a completly different view on e-sports, they promote it like a normal sport & thus people spend ****loads of time practicing. Not hard to realize what I want to point out now I hope.
Yet for somebody who made such blatantly stupid claims like you just did, I suppose it might be. Considering your IQ most likely rivals that of a monkey.
The most ironical "nerds" of them all kid, are the people like you. Pretending they have a life and go out calling out other people nerds while they are waiting in the arena queue to play another game. Get the **** out.
(ps: you obviously don't realize that I'm trolling you so ******* hard, it'd give Steven Hawking a boner, which makes you look more than a laughable stereotype forumidiot)
First of all, you're ******* retarded. The state classification is completly different in the US compared to Europe.
Second if you don't believe that where players come from has an effect on how they perform, you're beyond repair. The way people look at games, the support they get, the publicity a game get, the time they focus onto it,... It's all so much related to where a player comes from. Why do you think Korea reigns the starcraft scene so badly? Korea has a completly different view on e-sports, they promote it like a normal sport & thus people spend ****loads of time practicing. Not hard to realize what I want to point out now I hope.
Yet for somebody who made such blatantly stupid claims like you just did, I suppose it might be. Considering your IQ most likely rivals that of a monkey.
The most ironical "nerds" of them all kid, are the people like you. Pretending they have a life and go out calling out other people nerds while they are waiting in the arena queue to play another game. Get the **** out.
(ps: you obviously don't realize that I'm trolling you so ******* hard, it'd give Steven Hawking a boner, which makes you look more than a laughable stereotype forumidiot)
i don't play wow or care who has better wow teams, so enjoy arguing your case to nerds that will get upset about how bad europeans are at wow tournaments
i don't read gameriot all day like you so i probably wont respond, but go ahead and leave me a message so you feel better about yourself
enjoy your bad teeth, afk
lotzz Nov 9, 2009 at 10:17 pm
+1 votes
Ive quit wow 2 months ago, you were saying?
kind of sad if you get this worked up over a game you don't play anymore. Not only did capstone make you look stupid on a site about a game you don't even play anymore, YOU made yourself look even worse. All this over 2nd place eh? rofl
kind of sad if you get this worked up over a game you don't play anymore. Not only did capstone make you look stupid on a site about a game you don't even play anymore, YOU made yourself look even worse. All this over 2nd place eh? rofl
RyosukeTaguchi Nov 9, 2009 at 6:48 am
-2 votes
Charr3d said
"Then at the start of season 7, everyone transferred to BG9, thinking it
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc..."
I gotta agree on that.
Charr3d Nov 9, 2009 at 6:52 am
-2 votes
RyosukeTaguchi said
"Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc..."
I gotta agree on that.
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc..."
I gotta agree on that.
Barnabas Nov 9, 2009 at 7:16 am
+1 votes
Pretty decent rant you had going there until you mentioned paperkat and co. At least we don't purposely disconnect when we know we are gonna lose. Enjoy your second place finish for MLG Europe.
Celeras Nov 9, 2009 at 9:18 am
+15 votes
Lol. When EU wins its because they're the BESTEST! When US wins its because the game is stupid, and people have bad days.
Newsflash: Game has been stupid for years, and soccer is for fgts.
Newsflash: Game has been stupid for years, and soccer is for fgts.
Madagascar Nov 9, 2009 at 10:23 am
+3 votes
yeah you are right i guess(about them having a bad day, **** happens) but azael and tenderloin made very few mistakes most of those games from what i saw(and smatin played well not bad but not too good either), So idk about getting lucky on EG's part they played pretty good, AND the fact that EG beat fnatic later anyways so Sk.EU beating fnatic means nothing.
lotzz Nov 9, 2009 at 10:19 pm
+4 votes
Charr3d said
Anybody who still isn't half-blind could see that SK-EU was having a terrible day. Their performance sunday& monday was completly different from what they showed saturday. Like we saw them losing 2-3 to x6 on saturday & raping them 3-0 on sunday.
They easily beat fNatic lateron anyhow, who is supposdly the better team of the 2 according to commentary from your fellow Americans.
And by the way, what place did EG finish on again? 5th I believe no?
Everybody gets lucky once in a while, nobody is perfect & nobody runs around with 100% winratios. Be happy you managed to take a single series, it won't ever happen again.
They easily beat fNatic lateron anyhow, who is supposdly the better team of the 2 according to commentary from your fellow Americans.
And by the way, what place did EG finish on again? 5th I believe no?
Everybody gets lucky once in a while, nobody is perfect & nobody runs around with 100% winratios. Be happy you managed to take a single series, it won't ever happen again.
Bouncyballkj Nov 9, 2009 at 8:56 am
+1 votes
Spiritxxi said
rofl, Eurotrash at its finest
Ingredientsbg9 Nov 9, 2009 at 9:41 am
+11 votes
I like how you idiots, claim Hydra is a top consistent player, Ensidia got destroyed like 10 tournaments straight, getting destroyed and flawlessed by American RMPs. Yet all EU does is make excuse after excuse for 4 tournaments straight of getting destroyed, then they finally place second in one and are like WOOHOOO YESS OMG AGHAHAHAH AMERICANS SUCK WE FINALLY ALMOST WON SOMETHING AND THEY DIDNT.
Insider Nov 9, 2009 at 12:54 pm
-3 votes
Ingredientsbg9 said
I like how you idiots, claim Hydra is a top consistent player, Ensidia got destroyed like 10 tournaments straight, getting destroyed and flawlessed by American RMPs. Yet all EU does is make excuse after excuse for 4 tournaments straight of getting destroyed, then they finally place second in one and are like WOOHOOO YESS OMG AGHAHAHAH AMERICANS SUCK WE FINALLY ALMOST WON SOMETHING AND THEY DIDNT.
The current Ensidia setup would destroy every US RMP.
Ingredientsbg9 Nov 10, 2009 at 2:28 pm
+1 votes
Insider said
You're pretty braindead, Ensidia have only lost 1 tournament since they started, and back then they had a **** mage.
The current Ensidia setup would destroy every US RMP.
The current Ensidia setup would destroy every US RMP.
Godsmak Nov 9, 2009 at 11:34 am
+1 votes
Charr3d said
"Then at the start of season 7, everyone transferred to BG9, thinking it
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
Godsmak Nov 9, 2009 at 1:31 pm
+6 votes
Sabal said
Do you actually believe USA can compete with EU and Russia? Open your eyes, USA isn't "the strongest country in the world" anymore.
RUSSIA HAHAHHAA
Godsmak Nov 9, 2009 at 3:46 pm
+2 votes
Sabal said
True, retarded American has spoken.
poega Nov 9, 2009 at 1:48 pm
-3 votes
yeah your country which is completely owned by other nations and a central bank can do whatever the **** it wants.
Redneck retard.
Redneck retard.
Sabal Nov 9, 2009 at 2:05 pm
-2 votes
Completly owned by other nations and a central bank? Haha. Another one, true, retarded, American has spoken?
Godsmak Nov 9, 2009 at 3:46 pm
+2 votes
poega said
yeah your country which is completely owned by other nations and a central bank can do whatever the **** it wants.
Redneck retard.
Redneck retard.
mmm NOPE!
Crippler Nov 10, 2009 at 2:36 am
+1 votes
Rofl are you joking? USA is still the strongest country.
And why are you comparing it to a whole continent.
Its like saying do you even think EU can compete at all against Asia? Answer is No, they would get but raped just by the population.
And why are you comparing it to a whole continent.
Its like saying do you even think EU can compete at all against Asia? Answer is No, they would get but raped just by the population.
Smokeee Nov 9, 2009 at 2:43 pm
+5 votes
Ming is like the propaganda minister for China and Blizzard. I don't think anyone plays the good soldier constantly pretending everything is fine and dandy quite like Ming. He would be the guy you meet in the underground rebellion tunnel helping you hatch an escape plan, only to be waiting with Chinese soldiers to arrest you. frickin Ming.
lotzz Nov 9, 2009 at 4:10 pm
-1 votes
Charr3d said
"Then at the start of season 7, everyone transferred to BG9, thinking it
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met
Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the
broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached
the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't
even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in
the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over
the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the
same dominant players who have been winning tournament after
tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade,
Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are
still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even
dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.
you guys got 2nd bro, chill, at least when we opened our mouths like this we took 1st.
oh and at the end of the day, its just a ******* game, kid.
virtualis Nov 10, 2009 at 1:27 am
+1 votes
Ocelote/Inflame/Kae
but they didnt get ra ped f aggot lol
but they didnt get ra ped f aggot lol
drax Nov 10, 2009 at 5:46 am
+1 votes
Maybe not at tournaments any of veex's teams would of sh*t on any euro team in bc. Oh and hey the 1 tournament he went to he won and don't ever call it "zileas plate cleave" zilea was the worst one on the team by far but was the only realistic paladin in the us.
I'll agree BB deserved this win and was by far the best rmp at the tournament
I'll also agree that beastcleave is retardedly overpowered
I WILL ALSO AGREE that inflames team was a much better shadowcleave than snutz but saying euro is and always will be dominant over us is just laughable
I'll agree BB deserved this win and was by far the best rmp at the tournament
I'll also agree that beastcleave is retardedly overpowered
I WILL ALSO AGREE that inflames team was a much better shadowcleave than snutz but saying euro is and always will be dominant over us is just laughable
Charr3d Nov 10, 2009 at 6:30 am
-1 votes
drax said
Maybe not at tournaments any of veex's teams would of sh*t on any euro team in bc. Oh and hey the 1 tournament he went to he won and don't ever call it "zileas plate cleave" zilea was the worst one on the team by far but was the only realistic paladin in the us.
I'll agree BB deserved this win and was by far the best rmp at the tournament
I'll also agree that beastcleave is retardedly overpowered
I WILL ALSO AGREE that inflames team was a much better shadowcleave than snutz but saying euro is and always will be dominant over us is just laughable
I'll agree BB deserved this win and was by far the best rmp at the tournament
I'll also agree that beastcleave is retardedly overpowered
I WILL ALSO AGREE that inflames team was a much better shadowcleave than snutz but saying euro is and always will be dominant over us is just laughable
Hey bro, remember Sonny/Runeh/Mystical, they wouldve rinced through any team 5-0 if they had ever attended a LAN.
I wouldn't exactly call zilea the worst player on the team, since from what I remember some of his clutch plays actually made that team win. Regardless from who was on the team, it was long before pala & dk nerfs went live & not like it's hard for veex to mash his skillstorm button.
Euro is and has always been dominant, I believe I just pointed that out with clear examples. But hey babe, maby when the new expansion goes live, US can win smth again by abusing retarded early-game flaws. haha
Shug Nov 10, 2009 at 9:19 am
+1 votes
Charr3d said:"angry angry angry, bla bla bla"
I'd be embarrassed as a national of the EU at this prepubescent rhetoric. Thankfully, I don't identify with an arbitrary geographical divide in some pitiful attempt to be someone. But I guess it's ok behaviour for angsty teenagers still having trouble determining whether they're men or boys!
I'd be embarrassed as a national of the EU at this prepubescent rhetoric. Thankfully, I don't identify with an arbitrary geographical divide in some pitiful attempt to be someone. But I guess it's ok behaviour for angsty teenagers still having trouble determining whether they're men or boys!
Shortcut Nov 10, 2009 at 10:22 am
+1 votes
Charr3d said
"Then at the start of season 7, everyone transferred to BG9, thinking it
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
would actually improve the quality of play in America, and I was the
only one against this move."
What the **** are you talking about you ******* dip****. The only reason America was "dominant"
for one season was because of the retarded state of the game. Now that
rogue hero Enforcer can't brainlessly dump his cooldowns into a healer
anymore n spam mutilate with 0 energy, America is reduced to the pile
of **** you've always been. Nobody gives a **** about Zilea & his
triple plate cleave either. Everybody who still has both brain
hemispheres realizes that the only reason they won was because of the
stupidity of their combo (read: retarded state of paladins & dks
combined with skillstorming warrior).
Let's not even mention the fact that Ocelote/Inflame/Kae would've
easily trashed both of your teams if they weren't so set on their own
ego & refusing to use treeform, sudden death, etc...
America has never offered any quality teams. The tournaments you have won? Let's see.
Glory days of Pandemic? Oh wait, that was a little american incest
competition, with no exterior teams to benchmark yourself off against.
We all remember what happened the first real tournaments with those
glorious teams right?
WLD days? Oh yeh, Hafu-dearest won a few things, uptil they met Paperkat & co who pulled her sorry ass through the meat grinder.
Oh yeh, I believe you got some third place when Divine Inflame managed to carry Neilyo & Serennia to a third place. HAHA
Then the only time you managed to win something was by abusing the broken state of the game in every possible way. Uptil the game reached the point again where even when abusing the broken WotLK-gameplay can't even save you anymore and SK-EU dominates Check 6 completly. 3-0'd in the finals. GG America hahaha.
Face it. You never had dominant, steady teams. Over the course of 7 seasons, Korea & Europe have always brought the same dominant players who have been winning tournament after tournament. People like Inflame, Hydra, Another, Orangemarmelade, Numberone, etc... These people have been there from the start and are still going strong. There isn't a single American player who can even dream to tip the succes these people have had.
Oh and what the **** are you talking about. Beastcleave being fine? What the **** man. Twixz hunter hero falling off the bridge two times in one minute and still ending third place. Balanced amirite?
Get **** on.

**** yeh
Charr3d Nov 10, 2009 at 10:35 am
-2 votes
Shortcut said
I think its funny how you talk about EU this and EU that. You bring up the economy and RL issues in some way trying to downplay America. Just remember this, if it wasn't for America, you would be speaking German right now.
ps: if you wanna go down this road: you elected george bush, twice. On top of that, you elected an idiot like Arnold Schwarzenegger to.
Shortcut Nov 10, 2009 at 11:30 am
+1 votes
You were the one who brought up RL issues, I merely followed suit.
Just saying, before you go and spout off about RL issues, take a second to engage your brain. To the Bush comment, Tony Blair was SOO much better AMIRITE.
Just saying, before you go and spout off about RL issues, take a second to engage your brain. To the Bush comment, Tony Blair was SOO much better AMIRITE.
Shug Nov 10, 2009 at 10:42 am
+1 votes
Don't quote a mile long post of faff to write 3 lines! You're the third numpty that's done that already
opt1kal Nov 10, 2009 at 11:57 am
+1 votes
http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/
yea america's national debt isn't that bad actually
yea america's national debt isn't that bad actually
V33 Nov 9, 2009 at 1:28 am
+2 votes
Although I didn't agree much with Vhell's comments I think he was right saying rogues are really balanced at the moment. Sure you see rogues getting spammed chains of iced and having less mobility, but guess what there's a tree for that (shadowstep). And for the people who say, "You gimp your damage if u go subtle" I would simply reply that you cant have the best of two worlds. Either take mediocre damage and mobility or great damage with less mobility - if you'd have both that'd be very overpowered and with rogues being very well represented compared to other melee classes, they have nothing to whine about.
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 1:44 am
+3 votes
Sub is not mediocre damage. Sub is weak damage. Probably the worst dps from all dps specs.
V33 Nov 9, 2009 at 1:45 am
+0 votes
Because it has the greatest mobility and niches. Do you see how that works? Its called balance. Can't have it all, but don't complain about the options because they're there.
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 1:50 am
+1 votes
greatest Mobility and niches?
Please Elaborate. Otherwise you are proving nothing.
Greatest Mobility would be Charge/Intercept.
Please Elaborate. Otherwise you are proving nothing.
Greatest Mobility would be Charge/Intercept.
V33 Nov 9, 2009 at 2:04 am
+0 votes
It's easy, really. If you want mobility, you go subtlety for shadowstep, prep and reduced preptime. If you get focused a lot and need better survivability (hi enforcer), you go subtlety for cheat death, prep (and lower prep time). If you want damage, get mutilate etc. Every tree has it's pros and cons, but again the options are there so don't complain.
Charge/intercept is great mobility indeed but warriors have a lot of cons as well which is why you didn't see a single warrior at the tournament, but plenty of rogues.
Again, BALANCE!
Charge/intercept is great mobility indeed but warriors have a lot of cons as well which is why you didn't see a single warrior at the tournament, but plenty of rogues.
Again, BALANCE!
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 2:42 am
+2 votes
Sigh, another retard.
Prep can be taken by mut rogues. No one takes reduced prep time since arena games dont last that long.
Shadowstep is the only attractive highlight for Sub rogues which is not good enough. So that is its only Niche.
Hopefully you understand that.
Prep can be taken by mut rogues. No one takes reduced prep time since arena games dont last that long.
Shadowstep is the only attractive highlight for Sub rogues which is not good enough. So that is its only Niche.
Hopefully you understand that.
V33 Nov 9, 2009 at 2:45 am
+4 votes
I certainly do. But when Ming whines like a woman about DK's spamming chains on rogues and complaining about rogue mobility, he's not taking in to consideration that rogues are not the only class suffering from it and you simply cant have everything.
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 2:50 am
-1 votes
Ming is talking about Melee. We get kited the most.
Ret paladins cant be kited - Hand of freedom/cleanse
Ferals - Shapeshift/ feral charge
Warriors - Intercept/Charge
DK - Deathgrip and Chains
Mut Rogues - Sprint which can be affected by snares.
Sub rogues - Shadowstep Sprint, Fine but they lack way too much damage
Ret paladins cant be kited - Hand of freedom/cleanse
Ferals - Shapeshift/ feral charge
Warriors - Intercept/Charge
DK - Deathgrip and Chains
Mut Rogues - Sprint which can be affected by snares.
Sub rogues - Shadowstep Sprint, Fine but they lack way too much damage
V33 Nov 9, 2009 at 2:53 am
+3 votes
And with 0 warriors, ret-paladins, feral-druids and only 2 DK's I think the rogue class is doing just fine - which brings us back to my main point where I argued rogues are very balanced at the moment.
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 2:58 am
-4 votes
There are 0 Warriors because of the gear they have access to. If they put in s7 gear, you would see way more warriors.
Paladins and Druids can have their say.
Ming was talking about Mobility and nothing else.
Ferals lack synergy honestly in 3v3.
I think in the last MLG there were ret paladins?
Paladins and Druids can have their say.
Ming was talking about Mobility and nothing else.
Ferals lack synergy honestly in 3v3.
I think in the last MLG there were ret paladins?
Strange Purple Nov 9, 2009 at 9:45 am
+2 votes
Crippler said
There are 0 Warriors because of the gear they have access to. If they put in s7 gear, you would see way more warriors.
Paladins and Druids can have their say.
Ming was talking about Mobility and nothing else.
Ferals lack synergy honestly in 3v3.
I think in the last MLG there were ret paladins?
Paladins and Druids can have their say.
Ming was talking about Mobility and nothing else.
Ferals lack synergy honestly in 3v3.
I think in the last MLG there were ret paladins?
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 11:45 am
+0 votes
No you idiot, Warriors just scale incredibly well with gear. They are doing fine on live.
And whats wrong with double healer warrior teams? Zilea seems to be doing fine with it on live.
And whats wrong with double healer warrior teams? Zilea seems to be doing fine with it on live.
Icoss Nov 10, 2009 at 12:13 pm
+1 votes
Crippler said
Ming is talking about Melee. We get kited the most.
Ret paladins cant be kited - Hand of freedom/cleanse
Ferals - Shapeshift/ feral charge
Warriors - Intercept/Charge
DK - Deathgrip and Chains
Mut Rogues - Sprint which can be affected by snares.
Sub rogues - Shadowstep Sprint, Fine but they lack way too much damage
Ret paladins cant be kited - Hand of freedom/cleanse
Ferals - Shapeshift/ feral charge
Warriors - Intercept/Charge
DK - Deathgrip and Chains
Mut Rogues - Sprint which can be affected by snares.
Sub rogues - Shadowstep Sprint, Fine but they lack way too much damage
Crippler Nov 11, 2009 at 1:16 am
+0 votes
If you give it to teammates and not for yourself, dont blame your class. Blame your team if you lack mobility. And if your job is to provide that utility then its not a mobility problem.
Icoss Nov 11, 2009 at 3:15 am
+1 votes
Crippler said
If you give it to teammates and not for yourself, dont blame your class. Blame your team if you lack mobility. And if your job is to provide that utility then its not a mobility problem.
If I'm using the HoFreedom for utility(breaking stuns and/or preventing shatter combos) and as such am stuck in a snare I can't cleanse, I'd say that's a mobility problem. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind ret having this weakness, but your post came across with the message that ret paladins are basically unsnareable, when we're actually really easily snared. Frost mages have to really screw up to lose to us in duels because of how well they can kite us.
V33 Nov 9, 2009 at 2:30 am
+8 votes
I'll TLDR it for you. Rogues are fine, there were plenty in the tourney and RMP won the whole thing so L2P.
prattel Nov 9, 2009 at 2:31 am
+0 votes
i am calling you dumb for claiming shadowstep to be the best mobility in the game.
V33 Nov 9, 2009 at 2:34 am
+5 votes
Please show where I said it was THE BEST MOBILITY OF THE GAME?
I just said if you want [more] mobility then shadowstep provides just that, would you not agree? I never said it's the best mobility in the game.
And you're calling me dumb....
I just said if you want [more] mobility then shadowstep provides just that, would you not agree? I never said it's the best mobility in the game.
And you're calling me dumb....
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 2:44 am
-2 votes
"Because it has the greatest mobility and niches" You used the words Greatest right before mobility.
Thats why you are dumb.
Thats why you are dumb.
V33 Nov 9, 2009 at 2:47 am
+4 votes
Crippler said
"Because it has the greatest mobility and niches" You used the words Greatest right before mobility.
Thats why you are dumb.
Thats why you are dumb.
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 2:53 am
+2 votes
Everyone and their mothers know how bad Sub is. No one is going to spec it. It lacks way too much damage, Plus it lacks Deadly brew.
Even Blizzard agreed that Sub is terrible. Unfortunately they dont want to change it right before the revamp for cata. Too much work for too little time.
Even Blizzard agreed that Sub is terrible. Unfortunately they dont want to change it right before the revamp for cata. Too much work for too little time.
Tosan Nov 9, 2009 at 3:10 am
+1 votes
V33 said
Please show where I said it was THE BEST MOBILITY OF THE GAME?
I just said if you want [more] mobility then shadowstep provides just that, would you not agree? I never said it's the best mobility in the game.
And you're calling me dumb....
I just said if you want [more] mobility then shadowstep provides just that, would you not agree? I never said it's the best mobility in the game.
And you're calling me dumb....
RyosukeTaguchi Nov 9, 2009 at 6:53 am
+1 votes
Tosan said
Just because noone chose to run any of those classes/specs doesn't mean they couldn't win in the right hands......There's only so many teams at a tournament...
Akrios Nov 9, 2009 at 3:01 am
+4 votes
V33 said
Although I didn't agree much with Vhell's comments I think he was right saying rogues are really balanced at the moment. Sure you see rogues getting spammed chains of iced and having less mobility, but guess what there's a tree for that (shadowstep). And for the people who say, "You gimp your damage if u go subtle" I would simply reply that you cant have the best of two worlds. Either take mediocre damage and mobility or great damage with less mobility - if you'd have both that'd be very overpowered and with rogues being very well represented compared to other melee classes, they have nothing to whine about.
V33 Nov 9, 2009 at 3:17 am
+1 votes
I agree with that, it's a gimp tree. I think people are getting sidetracked here but my point was addressing Mings QQ about rogue mobility. Yes, it's worse than other classes but the class is still balanced and every class has its drawback. Getting spam-chained is more of a DK issue and it's not unique to just rogues.
If rogues had more mobility (SS) they would def NOT be balanced, seeing how they're already very well represented.
If rogues had more mobility (SS) they would def NOT be balanced, seeing how they're already very well represented.
Awooga Nov 9, 2009 at 4:35 am
+4 votes
no one here remembers S3/S4 Rogues and how ******* overpowered they were oh wait I mean balanced.
Regrets Nov 9, 2009 at 4:37 am
+1 votes
Mate you forgot the main reason why Sub sucks balls.
Shadowstep is nerfed. No one is playing it anyomre because its not
usable while roted. Nova? Sit thru it. Imp hamstring, entangle. You
drop all your dmg for a semi working gap closer. During shs prime time,
you could use it during roots, but not break it.
Iw played shs during s5 and abit s6. Its NOT working.
Shadowstep is nerfed. No one is playing it anyomre because its not
usable while roted. Nova? Sit thru it. Imp hamstring, entangle. You
drop all your dmg for a semi working gap closer. During shs prime time,
you could use it during roots, but not break it.
Iw played shs during s5 and abit s6. Its NOT working.
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 6:42 am
+1 votes
SS nerf is not the only reason. The constant nerfs to Hemos damage and then Shadowdance supporting dagger rogues more.
Backstab pvp is hard now a days with a lot of mobility for every class.
Backstab pvp is hard now a days with a lot of mobility for every class.
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 6:40 am
+1 votes
Honestly the one fix rogues were hoping for was a Vanish fix. Mutilate is fine now but vanish is still bugged. Its been bugged since TBC and blizzard are just zz.
The only problem most rogues have now is to fix Sub. Why? Like i said every class/spec has some use either in pve or pvp. Sub has 0 use for both.
Before people say elemental/moonkin are bad in pve. They are still brought to raids.
If you apply as a sub rogue in pve, all you will get is "lol" and no response from the guild.
And no i would prefer it being a pvp tree, just saying i would rather have it useful in one part of the game than neither.
The only problem most rogues have now is to fix Sub. Why? Like i said every class/spec has some use either in pve or pvp. Sub has 0 use for both.
Before people say elemental/moonkin are bad in pve. They are still brought to raids.
If you apply as a sub rogue in pve, all you will get is "lol" and no response from the guild.
And no i would prefer it being a pvp tree, just saying i would rather have it useful in one part of the game than neither.
RyosukeTaguchi Nov 9, 2009 at 7:03 am
+2 votes
Crippler said
Honestly the one fix rogues were hoping for was a Vanish fix. Mutilate is fine now but vanish is still bugged. Its been bugged since TBC and blizzard are just zz.
The only problem most rogues have now is to fix Sub. Why? Like i said every class/spec has some use either in pve or pvp. Sub has 0 use for both.
Before people say elemental/moonkin are bad in pve. They are still brought to raids.
If you apply as a sub rogue in pve, all you will get is "lol" and no response from the guild.
And no i would prefer it being a pvp tree, just saying i would rather have it useful in one part of the game than neither.
The only problem most rogues have now is to fix Sub. Why? Like i said every class/spec has some use either in pve or pvp. Sub has 0 use for both.
Before people say elemental/moonkin are bad in pve. They are still brought to raids.
If you apply as a sub rogue in pve, all you will get is "lol" and no response from the guild.
And no i would prefer it being a pvp tree, just saying i would rather have it useful in one part of the game than neither.
Sub isn't completely useless in PvE. HaT makes up for a lot even after the nerf. Hemo helps out other melee classes. I'm only bringing this up because I was screwing around as sub a few days ago in PvP and got into a VoA, didn't feel like swapping specs and ended up doing 3.7k where my combat spec dps is normally around 4.2k. So there was a pretty thick DPS loss, but I wouldn't go so far to say it is useless.
Crippler Nov 9, 2009 at 8:34 am
+1 votes
Vanish was fine pre TBC. So its not always.
Sub for pve is useless. Its bad dps. That is because Combat scales incredibly well with gear. Combat is bad with bad gear. If you were rocking Toc gear and tried both specs. Expect 7.5k dps as combat and 6.5k as Sub. Well not even 6.5k.
Plus Combat has the ability to keep good aoe. Sub does not.
Sub for pve is useless. Its bad dps. That is because Combat scales incredibly well with gear. Combat is bad with bad gear. If you were rocking Toc gear and tried both specs. Expect 7.5k dps as combat and 6.5k as Sub. Well not even 6.5k.
Plus Combat has the ability to keep good aoe. Sub does not.
RyosukeTaguchi Nov 9, 2009 at 4:46 pm
+1 votes
Crippler said
Vanish was fine pre TBC. So its not always.
Sub for pve is useless. Its bad dps. That is because Combat scales incredibly well with gear. Combat is bad with bad gear. If you were rocking Toc gear and tried both specs. Expect 7.5k dps as combat and 6.5k as Sub. Well not even 6.5k.
Plus Combat has the ability to keep good aoe. Sub does not.
Sub for pve is useless. Its bad dps. That is because Combat scales incredibly well with gear. Combat is bad with bad gear. If you were rocking Toc gear and tried both specs. Expect 7.5k dps as combat and 6.5k as Sub. Well not even 6.5k.
Plus Combat has the ability to keep good aoe. Sub does not.





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