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Happy Halloween!
Visit our homepage at www.esfiworld.com/arenacast to stream or direct download the episode.
For the first part we had: JP McDaniel (myself), Jared 'vhell' Coulston, Isaac 'Azazael' Bentley, Keith 'Igoaf' Trahan and Nathan 'Kintt' Quinn.
Shownotes (Part 1):
- ESL Montreal Recap
- Nerd rage in WoW e-sports
- Back stories on both cases of nerd rage from Nathan and Isaac
- Talk 3.0 with the pros
- ESL talk
- Kintt and I challenge someone to a tug of war
The cast that we had for the Ming episode was: JP McDaniel, Jared 'vhell' Coulston, Sam 'oplaid' Lingle, Jasi and Ming.
Shownotes (Part 2):
- We get personal with Ming and Jasi.
- Talk with Ming about some hot topics such as Noktyn, Naruto, and of course Estelle
- Ask Jasi how he got started with WOM among other things.
- Origins of World of Ming - how did it all start?
- why WOM so much like WWE? Was this intended or just what gets hits?
- What do you think about current e-sports coverage?
- Do you think you are progressing e-sports coverage? Or are you simply feeding off the trolls?
- Current state of WoW / Current state of WoW Arena / Current state of WoW e-sports
- Beta impressions - anything that needs dire attention? any suggestions for Blizzard?Â
Tell us how to improve the show by replying below! Thanks for listening. Â Â Â Â Â Â
Edit: Also, if you look on the main page there, you will see that they are currently running a contest for a Blizzcon beta key for SC2. Might as well enter.
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lotzz Oct 31, 2008 at 11:10 pm
+1 votes
DEEP DOWN INSIDE I THINK NOKTYNSÂ ADORABLE HE'S LIKE A TEDDY BEAR LIKE A TAUREN!
El Conando Nov 1, 2008 at 2:29 am
+12 votes
Hypothesis : Jasi Blog Quality inversely related to blog length.
Pipedown Oct 31, 2008 at 9:13 pm
+7 votes
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Vote for Obama or you're a dirty ******.
Serennia Oct 31, 2008 at 9:52 pm
+1 votes
the answer to the chakra contest was hafu-chan; go venruki!
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 4:52 am
+4 votes
no it isnt. the answer is MING himself
Woah wait a minute. Ming would have been my first choice, but here's what you said:
Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only the tournament competitors, but any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
That would rule out Ming because Ming never participated in any of the tournaments. So he is not a tournament competitor.
Woah wait a minute. Ming would have been my first choice, but here's what you said:
Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only the tournament competitors, but any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
That would rule out Ming because Ming never participated in any of the tournaments. So he is not a tournament competitor.
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 5:24 am
+1 votes
"not only" tells me that he is not only a tournament competitor, but also a player who has played WoW over the past couple of years. So he has to be a tournament competitor.
Ex. Not only is he smart, but he is cute.
Implying he is smart and cute. If you wanted to be one OR the other, then you would need to use or. Using but mean's "and."
Ex. Not only is he smart, but he is cute.
Implying he is smart and cute. If you wanted to be one OR the other, then you would need to use or. Using but mean's "and."
sadfase Nov 1, 2008 at 5:26 am
+1 votes
Dude, way to misread. "Not only" means that his selection pool is not limited to tournament competitors.
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 5:31 am
+1 votes
Dude, way to misread. "Not only" means that his selection pool is not limited to tournament competitors.
Which means he has to be a tournament competitor. "Not only is the person a selection of the tournament players, he is also a selection of the long time WoW members." It's not an OR statement, it's an AND statement.
Which means he has to be a tournament competitor. "Not only is the person a selection of the tournament players, he is also a selection of the long time WoW members." It's not an OR statement, it's an AND statement.
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 5:26 am
+1 votes
The assertion is saying he isn't only a tournament competitor, he is a player who has played WoW over the past couple of years. So he has to be both. Ming isn't a tournament competitor though.
sadfase Nov 1, 2008 at 5:31 am
+1 votes
Think of it this way: there is a set containing WoW players. There is a subset within that set that contains professional tournament arena players. His selection for the person having "the greatest chakra" or w/e is not limited to that subset, but is rather open to the entire set.
Slapnuts Nov 1, 2008 at 5:32 am
+1 votes
using not only in that context makes "tournament competitors" and "large number of players mutually inclusive". Thus from the way it was worded the selection would seemingly have to be in both pools from what I can tell.
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 5:34 am
+1 votes
using not only in that context makes "tournament competitors" and "large number of players mutually inclusive". Thus from the way it was worded the selection would seemingly have to be in both pools from what I can tell.
^Nailed It.Â
This isn't college level english, this is grade school english. Google "Not only.. but" if you need to
^Nailed It.Â
This isn't college level english, this is grade school english. Google "Not only.. but" if you need to
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 5:47 am
+1 votes
Thx, just to add a solution for more clarity,
It should be: Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful either out of the tournament competitors, or any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
It should be: Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful either out of the tournament competitors, or any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
sadfase Nov 1, 2008 at 5:58 am
+1 votes
Ah ha. I fail. But the actual question in the interview was: "who has the highest chakra in e-sports?" I blame Jasi.
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 6:14 am
+1 votes
Yeah "powerful and successful" was a giveaway. If it wasn't limited to tournament competitors as stated, it would clearly be Ming. ; )
lavabeard Nov 1, 2008 at 6:54 am
-2 votes
are you people seriously arguing semantics over ming's pick for "most chakra infused"
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 7:00 am
+1 votes
are you people seriously arguing semantics over ming's pick for "most chakra infused"
It's not semantics. He told us, straight up, that he chose someone in the competitive tournament scene. Thus, we eliminate all the choices of candidates who are not in the tournament scene.
It's not semantics. He told us, straight up, that he chose someone in the competitive tournament scene. Thus, we eliminate all the choices of candidates who are not in the tournament scene.
Subparbdf Nov 1, 2008 at 12:04 pm
-2 votes
He said "not only". Meaning not exclusive to the tournament scene. Just admit you're wrong. Plus it can't be hafu because she hasn't been around for a "couple of years." She's only been playing for a year.
Powerslave Nov 1, 2008 at 12:33 pm
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Not that good at english I guess(second language and ****) but I think jasi-sama means that the pool of possible answers not only includes tourney players but also "players who have played WoW over the past couple of years."
I don't know if it's worded right,but that's what I think he means ;p
I don't know if it's worded right,but that's what I think he means ;p
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 9:22 pm
+3 votes
Not that good at english I guess(second language and ****) but I think jasi-sama means that the pool of possible answers not only includes tourney players but also "players who have played WoW over the past couple of years."
Using the word possible changes the entire dialect of the sentence. By the very nature of the word, it makes an uncertainty of A or B.
Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only the tournament competitors, but any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
Fixed Version: Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only the possible tournament competitors, but any of the large number of possible players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
Yes this would make it so it does not have to be a tournament competitor, albeit poorly written. But it wasn't written this way.
To the person above, it could be Hafu because Hafu played a lot in her freshman year according to her SK gaming interview. And she is now going into her senior year of highschool, which makes it a couple of years or more. Courtesy of google search "hafu interview."
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/18957-Interview_with_Fnatics_Hafu
http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=34189
Using the word possible changes the entire dialect of the sentence. By the very nature of the word, it makes an uncertainty of A or B.
Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only the tournament competitors, but any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
Fixed Version: Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only the possible tournament competitors, but any of the large number of possible players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
Yes this would make it so it does not have to be a tournament competitor, albeit poorly written. But it wasn't written this way.
To the person above, it could be Hafu because Hafu played a lot in her freshman year according to her SK gaming interview. And she is now going into her senior year of highschool, which makes it a couple of years or more. Courtesy of google search "hafu interview."
http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/18957-Interview_with_Fnatics_Hafu
http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=34189
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 9:36 pm
+3 votes
Even that wouldn't make sense because it's not out of the tournament competitors.
Fixed again: Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable, and successful possibly out of not only the tournament competitors, but possibly any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
What I think you're getting at is the "not only" part of the sentence. But do you know what "not only" even means?
The Woman is "not only" a mom, she is a superhero. That man is "not only" a saint, he is a monster. The Lion is "not only" the king of the jungle, but he is the king of the world. It means it is not just. You are not just A, you are not limited to A, you are also B. You are A, but you are not only A, you are B. It is implying you are A but not limited to A, you are in the broader spectrum B too.
Fixed again: Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable, and successful possibly out of not only the tournament competitors, but possibly any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
What I think you're getting at is the "not only" part of the sentence. But do you know what "not only" even means?
The Woman is "not only" a mom, she is a superhero. That man is "not only" a saint, he is a monster. The Lion is "not only" the king of the jungle, but he is the king of the world. It means it is not just. You are not just A, you are not limited to A, you are also B. You are A, but you are not only A, you are B. It is implying you are A but not limited to A, you are in the broader spectrum B too.
Anti Nov 1, 2008 at 10:25 pm
+2 votes
I was confused at first as well. What it says is that it's not only out of 'A' but also out of 'B'.
ex. We're not only going to search the basement for the key, we're going to search the entire house.
ex. We're not only going to search the basement for the key, we're going to search the entire house.
Trupster Nov 1, 2008 at 3:47 pm
+1 votes
Edit: **** it, some dumbass signs messed up my post cba rewriting it =P.
Yiska Nov 2, 2008 at 9:01 am
+1 votes
"This one's from yiska? *facepalm*"
ilu jasi
I'll come up with some ideas about what you can write about. I'd do it myself but apparently my english is too poor to pulish it in the way I want it in relation to my standarts when I'm writing in german. Be my container.
ilu jasi
I'll come up with some ideas about what you can write about. I'd do it myself but apparently my english is too poor to pulish it in the way I want it in relation to my standarts when I'm writing in german. Be my container.
Gamdol Nov 1, 2008 at 10:18 pm
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Romantic, your logic is flawed because both groups being discussed are not mutually exclusive categories. You could be a tournament player and a long time WoW player, or you could just be a tournament player (new to the scene), or you could just be a long time WoW player.
Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only the tournament competitors, but any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
This isn't a simple "not only....but" comment, this is a "not only....but any." It extends the possibilities into a single group or both groups. For your logic to be correct, and be only inclusive to tournament competitors (based off this statement you quoted), the larger selection pool would have to be placed first, then the "but" statement would further specify it to only tourney players:
Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years, but the tournament competitors.
That's why you're wrong, regardless of how many times you keep reposting it.
Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only the tournament competitors, but any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years.
This isn't a simple "not only....but" comment, this is a "not only....but any." It extends the possibilities into a single group or both groups. For your logic to be correct, and be only inclusive to tournament competitors (based off this statement you quoted), the larger selection pool would have to be placed first, then the "but" statement would further specify it to only tourney players:
Ming chose a person who he feels has been the most prominent, admirable and successful out of not only any of the large number of players who have played WoW over the past couple of years, but the tournament competitors.
That's why you're wrong, regardless of how many times you keep reposting it.
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 10:42 pm
+2 votes
Romantic, your logic is flawed because both groups being discussed are not mutually exclusive categories. You could be a tournament player and a long time WoW player, or you could just be a tournament player (new to the scene), or you could just be a long time WoW player.
It doesn't matter if they're "mutually exclusive categories" or not.
Ex. This lion is not only the king of the jungle, but he is the king of the world.Â
^This sentence in itself says that he is king of the jungle, but not JUST king of the jungle, king of the world too.
This isn't a simple "not only....but" comment, this is a "not only....but any." It extends the possibilities into a single group or both groups. For your logic to be correct, and be only inclusive to tournament competitors (based off this statement you quoted), the larger selection pool would have to be placed first, then the "but" statement would further specify it to only tourney players:
No no no, that doesn't matter. See my Lion example. Order doesn't matter, it can be written either way. The only reason why you would want to write it one way vs the other is how much importance and emphasis you want to place on one.
Ex. Although he didn't win the game, he had a good time.
He had a good time, although he didn't win the game.
As I've explained already and I'll do it again, "Not only" A implies that he IS A. But not only A, he can be B or C or D too. So he is not limited to A, but the assertion is that he is A. Adding any after "not only" doesn't change anything.
It doesn't matter if they're "mutually exclusive categories" or not.
Ex. This lion is not only the king of the jungle, but he is the king of the world.Â
^This sentence in itself says that he is king of the jungle, but not JUST king of the jungle, king of the world too.
This isn't a simple "not only....but" comment, this is a "not only....but any." It extends the possibilities into a single group or both groups. For your logic to be correct, and be only inclusive to tournament competitors (based off this statement you quoted), the larger selection pool would have to be placed first, then the "but" statement would further specify it to only tourney players:
No no no, that doesn't matter. See my Lion example. Order doesn't matter, it can be written either way. The only reason why you would want to write it one way vs the other is how much importance and emphasis you want to place on one.
Ex. Although he didn't win the game, he had a good time.
He had a good time, although he didn't win the game.
As I've explained already and I'll do it again, "Not only" A implies that he IS A. But not only A, he can be B or C or D too. So he is not limited to A, but the assertion is that he is A. Adding any after "not only" doesn't change anything.
Anti Nov 1, 2008 at 10:56 pm
+1 votes
You curiously continue to cite the example not only is he A, but he is B. The statement seems to clearly be: not only could he be found out of A, but out of B.
Romantic Nov 1, 2008 at 11:05 pm
+1 votes
You curiously continue to cite the example not only is he A, but he is B. The statement seems to clearly be: not only could he be found out of A, but out of B.
Yeah that is what it is saying. Maybe someone else can explain this easy concept better than me, but yes what it is essentially saying is that it has elements in A and B. Not only A, but B too. The dog has whiskers and spots. Not only whiskers, but spots too. He is a tournament competitor. Not only a tournament competitor, but a player who has played over a couple of years too.
If you can explain it better, please feel free, it would help out.
Yeah that is what it is saying. Maybe someone else can explain this easy concept better than me, but yes what it is essentially saying is that it has elements in A and B. Not only A, but B too. The dog has whiskers and spots. Not only whiskers, but spots too. He is a tournament competitor. Not only a tournament competitor, but a player who has played over a couple of years too.
If you can explain it better, please feel free, it would help out.
smoktuki Nov 1, 2008 at 10:54 pm
+1 votes
ARE YOU PEOPLE REALLY THIS STUPID OR ARE YOU ALL CHINESE THAT HAVEN'T LEARNED ENGLISH PROPERLY LOL?
The person is a tournament competitor but not only a tournament competitor, he is also a player who has played WoW over the past couple of years. He is BOTH and has to be BOTH.
It's painful reading the explanation of such a rudimentary concept. It's like trying to argue "AND MEANS BOTH A AND B" to some retard.
The person is a tournament competitor but not only a tournament competitor, he is also a player who has played WoW over the past couple of years. He is BOTH and has to be BOTH.
It's painful reading the explanation of such a rudimentary concept. It's like trying to argue "AND MEANS BOTH A AND B" to some retard.
Gamdol Nov 2, 2008 at 1:06 am
+0 votes
Person A: So you only want male employees then?
Person B: Not only male, but female as well.
Impossible to satisfy both, Person B clearly would accept male or female employees.
Person B: Not only male, but female as well.
Impossible to satisfy both, Person B clearly would accept male or female employees.
Romantic Nov 2, 2008 at 1:18 am
+1 votes
That's the point Gamdol, he is accepting both. Not just A, but B also. That's what I've been trying to explain all along.
In this case, Ming didn't just choose a tournament competitor, but a person who has played for over 2 years. The person has to fit both criterias.
In this case, Ming didn't just choose a tournament competitor, but a person who has played for over 2 years. The person has to fit both criterias.
kavekk Nov 2, 2008 at 6:14 am
+1 votes
I really hope you just got trolled and that these people aren't really this ******* retarded.
Romantic Nov 2, 2008 at 6:32 am
+1 votes
I really hope you just got trolled and that these people aren't really this ******* retarded.
Sadly I think some people are really this retarded lol. I think everyone gets it by now though. I don't know if I should respond to this guy below me because I'm pretty sure he's trolling.
Sadly I think some people are really this retarded lol. I think everyone gets it by now though. I don't know if I should respond to this guy below me because I'm pretty sure he's trolling.
Gamdol Nov 2, 2008 at 6:07 am
-2 votes
They don't have to fit both though, you claiming my example was correct then immediately claiming the opposite of what it showed is stupid.
Person B is accepting male or female, A OR B.
Ming is accepting tournament competitors OR long time players. Once again, A OR B.
Person B is accepting male or female, A OR B.
Ming is accepting tournament competitors OR long time players. Once again, A OR B.
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