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by Zilea, Level 51
Last updated at April 29, 2008, 12:49 am
Well, I would have hoped that this didn't have to happen. I was hoping that Blizzard would have solved most of the balance issues, but after 2 consecutive seasons with very little unchanged, and most combos being worthless with the exception of any combo with a druid and PRM, there seems to be little purpose to continue.

Zilea, admit it, you're quitting because you are doing poorly on the tourney realm

It isn't so much about my performance on the tourney realm as it is the state of the game in general, with the tourney being the icing on the cake.
While I've only played about 35 games on the tourney realm so far (we're currently 1800, with our highest rating so far being about 1844), it has more to do in general with the massive problems within the tournament.

The game is severely flawed, and it is so evident on the tournament realm itself.

Just look at the compositions on the tournament realm. While it is arguable whether the game simply reverted to a season 2 state in terms of what combos are popular or not (a massive amount of old combos like shadow priest + lock + druid are appearing on the tourney realm) , the tournament is just a bunch of spamming massive amounts of games until you encounter teams you can beat because of counter-comps.

Ok, so, what has your experience been like so far on the tournament realm to make you indignant at WoW in general?

The arena tournament is an utter joke. EVerybody is running druid+x+y or PRM.
How many teams on the tournament realm are running a priest as a healer that doesn't include the combo of PRM? Probably less than 3% at the high-rated level.

Everything else is druid reliant.

Both situations are completely retarded. Even shamans are pairing up with druids because shamans and paladins cannot solo heal any combo and can't succeed in the tournament without a second healer.

The tournament is a bunch of massive exploitation of unbalanced game compositions that no one can honestly expect to receive credit for succeeding.
People like Serennia, who have been hugging druids since the start of season 2, will never succeed in a game like WoW if they were forced to use another healer, unless other healers got buffed to the point that made druids trivial in an arena match.

I'm sorry, but if you're running a druid or PRM, your team is severely flawed right out of the gate, this isn't more evident with bologna combos like Druid/Lock/Lock.

How can a team claim they are actually good when they are running a combo like druid/lock/lock?
More importantly, the game's counter-comping becomes even more obvious when you factor in what can and can't beat certain combos.

For example, TSG is running Druid/Lock/Lock, and is getting some ridiculous (and overblown) rave over their success with that combo. That's great, but what would happen if they were matched up against a priest/rogue/rogue team? I'd probably go to the extent to bet all 29,000 of my in-game gold that the outcome would be something like a 9-1 ratio in favor of the priest/rogue/rogue team.

Let's take Shamans for example. You'll never, ever see a shaman in the game's current form act as a solo healer in any combo and reach the top spots on the tourney realm or the live realms.

Again, I know it is completely not the shamans' fault that their class is so utterly bad. But come on, don't go around thinking that your success is anything other than massive exploitation of the game in its current state.

You'll never see a shaman succeed in 3v3 without running paladin/warrior/shaman or druid/shaman/X.

Conversely, you'll never see a paladin succeed in 3v3 as holy without running paladin/warrior/shaman, druid/warrior/paladin or priest/paladin/warrior.

My limited experience on the tourney realm has been pretty awful in terms of success vs particular combos.
Against druid/warrior/rogue, druid/lock/war, druid/rogue/lock and PRM, we've been fairly successful, partially because of our capability to quickly zerg someone down and end the fight. Which, in my opinion, is the only way to really play with a paladin healer as the solo healer. The fight has to be fast and someone has to get zerged into the ground quickly before the divine shield is gone.
Against random combos, which my team has rarely ever seen on live, like druid/hunter/lock, druid/priest/rogue, priest/hunter/lock and a few others that I won't mention, the outcomes are just outright awful. Our lack of being able to zerg anyone down consistently typically leads to either random wins because of insane RNG on our part, or embarassing losses because of the paladin class' ridiculous lack of coping with interrupts.

In summary, all of this contributed to my serious dissatisfaction with WoW. In addition, because my team of pally/war/rogue has been so disadvantaged in arena because of the crappyness of paladins, my teammates have been more and more hesitant to want to do arena with me and with paladins in general.

Wow (no pun intended) you really have some serious problems with the state of the game, and are probably just bitter.

I might be, but let me just ask you this. What kind of individual would make a post like this unless they were getting the short end of the stick?
I mean, with the extensive experience I have with arena, I am going to make a very unmodest comment by saying that I feel that I have finally gotten to the point with the paladin class where I have reached the ceiling and the cap for skill needed to utilize the paladin to the fullest.
I fake counterspells almost every time, I fake shocks about 50%+ of the time, I fake kicks and pummels about 85%+ of the time and I manage my mana fairly well almost every game, constantly drinking when I have free teime.
I would go so far to say that, currently, there probably aren't any paladins that could do what I do as well as I do it.

I apologize for the conceited comments, but I feel it is very relevant as to why I'm quitting this game. I mean, if I feel I can't improve my gameplay anymore, isn't it important to add to this article? People need to know how I feel about my performance in arena. It is very easy to say "well I'm still not very good with the paladin class", which would almost make everything I've said in this blog null and void, because, well, if I'm not as good as I can be at a paladin, that means I haven't utilized the class to its highest potential.

What else bothers you about the arena tournament and its participants?

What really bothers me about the tournament in general are the type of players that it harbors. The tournament realm is a safe haven for players that are completely and utterly obsessed with their performance in the tournament and, moreover, have vested literally their entire lives on the future of their tournament prospects. Even though 5v5 is unbalanced, it is more balanced than 3v3.

There are people on the tournament realm (many will be nameless because I have an accord with myself that I will no longer drag myself into the mud with sensationalist blogs) that have played over 300 games, and it is apparent, at least to me, that most of these people don't have anything else going on in their lives.

Woah, Zilea, you used to play WoW all day too, is this hypocrisy or maybe a clever example of a paradox?

It is definitely a paradox. While I was completely obsessed with WoW (more on this in a minute), I slowly came to realize that WoW was not only time consuming, addicting and an utter waste of time, but was actually harmful to my health.

I've been fortunate, however, in the sense that I've been hooked on WoW for over 2.5 years, and I'm still not an obscenely fat, unhealthy slob that sweats through my shirts and leaves stains.

The fact of the matter is, I know first hand people that play WoW that are so hooked that they don't have a job, don't go to school, sponge off of friends to make payments, and, sadly, many of them don't even have driver's licenses.
There is definitely something embarassing about all of this.

What else about the nature of the game bothers you?

The addiction. I was completely hooked, and I know first hand the negative impacts this game has on a person's life and health.
Nothing is more clear of addiction than raiding. I raided for over 2 years, and I'd say about after 1 year I had gotten to the point where raiding was a complete waste of time. It had gotten to the point of feeling like a chore, too. 25 hours a week to sit in a raid and kill pve mobs? Admit it, if you are one of these people, you are a loser. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to solving a problem.

25 hours a week. Think about this for a second. First off, are these people going to school/work? If so, what are they doing on their spare time if they're raiding 3, 4, even 5 days a week with the release of Sunwell Plateau.
What can you do in a week with 25 hours? I know that as a student in college, I can get a part-time job and go to school, and maybe have a little bit of extra time for recreational activities.

I will admit it, I was completely hooked, and was a loser for spending this exorbitant amount of time raiding.

But I broke the raiding tradition about 5 months ago, and have been playing WoW less and less ever since.

There are more problems with raiding than just time spent. Anyone can dump 25 hours a week playing WoW that doesn't raid. But there is another variable to this that most people don't realize: the fixed raiding schedules required to raid regularly.
Being able to regularly attend a raid says a lot about yourself, because most people don't have the time to do nothing but play WoW from 7 pm until midnight, especially if they have a job or go to school during the day. When do you do homework if you go to school? Oh, you do it when you get home? How much free time do you have when you're not raiding? Ask yourself that question.

So, are you going to quit? Will you come back? What are you going to do with your free time?

I've already unsubscribed my account and may 10 will be the last day I will ever be on WoW.
Will I come back? It is very likely that if there are serious revamps in WoW's balance before the expac, I will come back. (Assuming paladins become more viable in small-arena play)

What about next xpac? Again, it all depends on what changes are planned. If paladins get buffed to the point of being equal with other healers, I will come back.

What if Starcraft 2 comes out before the next xpac? I probably won't come back to WoW.

What am I doing with my free time now? I'm working towards getting a job with grassrootscampaigns.com to be a field campaigner to help get the Democrats back in office. Though right now my career prospects are a little dubious because I have many other jobs I'm looking into possibly getting.
     
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Furioni
Furioni Apr 29, 2008 at 12:52 am
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oxxo
oxxo Apr 29, 2008 at 12:54 am
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QQ about druids??

Shocking!!

Haha bye bye scrub.
Didy
Didy Apr 29, 2008 at 1:00 am
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Charles Xavior did more for mutants than you will ever know.
Omble
Omble Apr 29, 2008 at 3:01 pm
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lmfao that made my day. i laughed so hard in my library the lady at the front scolded me.
Hazy
Hazy Apr 30, 2008 at 8:50 am
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vexo Apr 30, 2008 at 5:36 pm
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TehJerk
TehJerk Apr 29, 2008 at 1:10 am
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Snk
Snk Apr 29, 2008 at 1:01 am
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I thought mazud got no.1 with rShaman/Lock/sPriest and it seems like a pretty successful combo in general. Anyway that team has a shaman for single healer.
Zilea
Zilea Apr 29, 2008 at 1:06 am
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While I'm not familiar with the people you are referring to, they deserve congratulations for their accomplishments. I will however add that they are not the norm of the rest of the shaman population in arena.
Snk
Snk Apr 29, 2008 at 2:02 am
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They were no.1 on TR. Also ronmexico and glickz and them run it. Its a fairly common setup. Not saying I disagree with you tho, single healers besides druids is pretty much non-existent.
wisdomcube
wisdomcube Apr 29, 2008 at 7:48 pm
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I got to 2200 as resto sham boomkin lock in 2 weeks but....tanked it one week because i was still toughness spec and havent played again.
TehJerk
TehJerk Apr 29, 2008 at 1:09 am
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still unbelievable how so many Arena players thought it was just drinking in arenas that was OP'd...

i mean i kept saying its way more than that, and so many were like its only water they arent OP'd,

and these so called 'Arena Experts' with these high ratings talk here like they got nerfed so hard in 2.4....lol wtf?  everytime i read that i was like how the hell do you call yourself some authority on PvP?

i mean nobody else really called them out here, and when i did i got so much **** for it, and a bombardment of excuses from them...

lucky i dont raid but i agree,

you are the type that turns into that obsessed hardcore nerd...so dont throw all of us in that boat.  some of us are content playing casually, not being the best w/ the highest ratings and a title...it just sucks the whole game is based around this stupid arena ****.
Zilea
Zilea Apr 29, 2008 at 1:12 am
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understandable. Some people are more vulnerable to addiction than others. The ones who are usually have the most free time in their lives to get involved with the competitive nature of wow.
Roma Victor
Roma Victor Apr 29, 2008 at 6:02 am
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some of us are content playing casually, not being the best w/ the highest ratings and a title...

I resemble that remark!
HootiePoonie
HootiePoonie Apr 29, 2008 at 1:20 am
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Who gets a job as a grass roots campaigner?? Go get a factory job or something. You're still fat, lazy, nerdy, and 5 bucks says you will be right back to playing in a week. Someone like you who is a loser in real life will realize that you had some e-friends behind the computer screen and run back to it like a fat kid loves cake.
Zilea
Zilea Apr 29, 2008 at 1:31 am
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http://s198.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/ZileaX/?action=view&current=SSPX0227.jpg

I'm not fat, nor do I look like a "nerd".

You are entitled to your opinion though, I guess.
briyan
briyan Apr 29, 2008 at 1:47 am
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He is Prince's grandson, srsly bros =)
Elendril
Elendril Apr 29, 2008 at 1:47 am
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You kinda do look like a nerd tbqh
gblol
gblol Apr 29, 2008 at 1:56 am
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Rorschach
Rorschach Apr 29, 2008 at 6:09 am
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The only thing you need is a pocket protector and the image would be complete...
tyrrana
tyrrana Apr 29, 2008 at 7:03 am
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if you were bald, i would mistake you for someone straight out of auschwitz
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rage Apr 29, 2008 at 12:49 pm
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you don't look like a nerd but your shirt is 5 sizes too big. Wear a size S brah.
pudlol
pudlol Apr 29, 2008 at 1:31 am
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WLD and RMP are the 2345/2346 version of the 3's bracket. Whoever wins doesn't win by countercomping but by outplaying each other. 3's bracket has become the most balanced bracket around. Just because your class isn't included in WLD/RMP just as druids aren't included in 2345/2346 doesn't mean it's broken. Deal with it and go play 5's or something.
Zilea
Zilea Apr 29, 2008 at 1:38 am
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The thing is, 5v5 offers more opportunities for every class to participate. While the days of 2345/2346 were pretty lame for a lot of classes, 5v5 has become much more open for all the classes.

3v3 is very limited. Hunters, shamans, paladins all got the shaft. Priests and mages also got the shaft, fortunately for them, they have one combo that allows them to compete. If it wasn't for PRM, priests and mages would have 0 combos to play, and every combo would have a druid.
pudlol
pudlol Apr 29, 2008 at 1:48 am
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Where were the rogues and druids during tournament play in 5's? They got the shaft big time. 3's isn't very different, you're just seeing things from their perspective. 5's is open for most classes now a days but it wasn't back then. And it's open now because countercomping was introduced to it. However, 3's is as balanced as it comes in arena play now. If you want to ruin it by introducing mass countercomping just so your class can be viable, like how the 5's bracket got ruined, then you aren't looking out for the welfare of the game.
Gankt
Gankt Apr 29, 2008 at 2:01 am
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It has more to do with the evolution of the game than anything else. Pre TBC organized 5v5's happened on a server by server basis, and the Paladin was considered "the key." It's why season 1 had only a few compositions competing at the top level; the compositions which everyone who played classic for an extended period of time believed were the best, and those who were ahead of the curve in learning to counter those classic compositions. Hence the rise of Shadow Priest/Warlock in a bracket where Paladin/Warrior was tops, or the pseudo-rise of Priest/Warrior(s1's version of Priest/Rogue) when Paladin/Warlock was the counter to Paladin/Warrior. You talk about counter-comping as if it was just invented, but it's been there since the beginning. The ONLY thing that has changed about arena since season 1 is the evolution of the mindset of your average player, and to a lesser degree the gear.
Hubris12
Hubris12 Apr 29, 2008 at 3:05 am
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Actually, Cherez, who plays Hunter/Druid/Priest wins over RMP most of the time. Unless said RMP plays with a mutilate rogue, then according to Ánother, they split games. Though, he's NE on live, and, obviously, picked Dwarf for the Tournament realm.

Regardless, I do agree with what you're saying. Playing a Paladin is very depressing, especially when you might as well pick up a Druid and after a few days, instantly do better in the 3s bracket. I've been playing a Druid for a while now in 2s/3s, and I just feel dirty. Its absolutely ridiculous.

By the by, your assessment for who will qualify for this tournament is spot-on. :)
Brutus
Brutus Apr 29, 2008 at 1:51 am
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People still run 2345/6?  That's news to me.

Druids can play in all brackets and succeed.  As Drain(lol) or Euro in 5s.
pudlol
pudlol Apr 29, 2008 at 1:57 am
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Some teams play 2345/6 brah, not a lot. When variations of 2345 were the only viable comps, the bracket was balanced. Same can be said with RMP/WLD. 5's got ruined because of hard countercomping, 3's doesn't need that.
Brutus
Brutus Apr 29, 2008 at 2:00 am
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That still doesn't rectify the fact that paladins are virtually useless in anything but the (broken) 5v5 bracket.  Amirite?
pudlol
pudlol Apr 29, 2008 at 2:10 am
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Yeah, but they are viable atleast. Not every class needs to be viable in 3's right now, it's as balanced as it can get atm.  And no one cares about 2s.
Zilea
Zilea Apr 29, 2008 at 2:15 am
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Not every class needs to be viable but Blizzard is awarding thousands of dollars in prize money? That's a blatantly disingenuous response.
pudlol
pudlol Apr 29, 2008 at 2:22 am
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But I'd rather the very few teams pick up different classes to play than host a tournament on a broken bracket where the winner is determined by who countercomps better, wouldst thou not agree?
TehJerk
TehJerk Apr 29, 2008 at 10:41 am
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its a joke how you excuse **** thats obviously not balanced in the least bit, and say this is the best arena can get...and even then discount the 2v2 bracket altogether, so the whole game is based around 3v3, and 5v5 according to you?  And its "as balanced as its going to get"?  you accept this **** for balance as acceptable?  thats right, you probably play a warrior, druid, or rogue....just like most people who spout that retarded lie...while continuing to excuse Arena balance as the basis for WoW, and even then only prop'ing one venue of it.  Its just crazy 90% of the WoW population has to play based in this pigeon-holed sad excuse for class balancing ****-hole only some arena players will prop as remotely balanced because their brainwashed retards.

telling everyone to play 5's is stupid.  what if they dont like 5's?  what if they have a hard time coordinating 5 people rl play times? ...basically the max buf***e zerg bracket ;p

small sided PvP is the basis of most of WoW's PvP, and its funny how they refuse to balance it, or completely base it on synergy based balancing for arena comps.  where it completely favors a few classes, and leaves the other half out in the cold, or halfway out the door....

anyone excusing/pretending current balance is fine, or even remotely good is a complete tard.
TehJerk
TehJerk Apr 29, 2008 at 10:42 am
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oh and im wondering if you were one of those people who had to pickup a completely new class just to be viable to play in the tourney....

bet you werent.  easy to justify other people getting screwed over when you arent, amirite?
Eriaa
Eriaa Apr 29, 2008 at 1:37 am
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Well...I guess it depends on what you do for a living. While I don't play as much as I used to, I only work 3 days a week and make more than all my friends who have degrees and 9-5 jobs =p

The problem is...arena is flawed and blizzard gets a sense of false success from it. People are forced to do it, because it gives some of the best items. Take away those items, and a lot less people would do it. S4 will be interesting, I'm sure you will see a decline in the amount of people who arena because of the new personal ratings. IDK, I'm tired of playing a MMO that isn't very MMOish.

As for balance? That's what happens when you try to turn a MMORPG into an esport. It will NEVER be balanced ever. Blizzard would have to spend a lot of time to make exception rules for pvp and pve. Are druids OP in arena? Sure, I play one and 2k was ezmode as warrior/druid, even in bad gear, but I raid as well, and I sometimes feel I am out preformed by circle of healing priest and chain heal spaming shaman. The druid class is designed to be a hot class, which happens to be very powerful in pvp because it's hard to CS a druid, unlike paladins. I think they would need some major changes to the game to make it balanced, like making pvp only rule sets and pve only rule sets, which wont and shouldnt happen...because this is an MMO. What happened to that whole "war"craft thing anyway? Im tired of holding hands with the other faction.
briyan
briyan Apr 29, 2008 at 1:48 am
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Maybe try play something other than a paladin?  I fully support less time playing WoW, I do it myself, just a couple hours per week for me over the last eight months or so.
TehJerk
TehJerk Apr 29, 2008 at 10:46 am
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rolling and playiing a whole new class takes a long time leveling, then gearing, to get back to top competetive character levels...i mean a long long long time ;p
TehJerk
TehJerk Apr 29, 2008 at 10:47 am
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and its also kind of dumb to use that as an excuse for very poor balance IMO
briyan
briyan Apr 29, 2008 at 11:01 am
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Yeah but I'm saying on the Tournament Realm, he can play whatever class he wants.
Realz
Realz Apr 29, 2008 at 2:01 am
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have Kazel pm me on gameriot plz, k ty
hoodrych
hoodrych Apr 29, 2008 at 2:09 am
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Uthgar
Uthgar Apr 29, 2008 at 2:04 am
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Its always nice to see people get smart and smell the coffee. We have all been there.
Bronxie
Bronxie Apr 29, 2008 at 6:08 am
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