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by StoneDrunk, Level 36
Last updated at October 25, 2009, 10:11 pm

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” 

 

If you read these words, and are completely unmoved, you might want to check your pulse because you're probably dead. This is the beginning of the United States Declaration of Independence. Thomas Jefferson wrote these words in 1776 as an explanation to the European powers for the American colonies defection from control of the British Empire. These powerful words changed the course of human events. It inspired revolutions in France, Mexico and Haiti and remained the cornerstone for the ideals that fueled the American thought process for hundreds of years. The idea that man is free and should be separated from the burdens of an oppressive government is what set the United States apart from other feudalistic countries of that time.

Before I can explain the gradual decline of America, I feel it is necessary to actually define what America is. America is individual freedom, America is “No taxation without representation”, America the idea that everyone is able to make the most of their lives regardless of color, creed, or denomination. America is not the internationally defined borders. America is not 50 states, it is not agreeing with any action the government takes. Being an American is a choice. The idea of the founding fathers is what America is. We, as a people, have a short history of existence. Americans as a population is held together by a common thought and idea instead of common ancestors. I am 5/8th German, a 1/4th French, a 1/16th Scots-Irish, and 1/16th Welsh (lol); yet, I have no more of a relation to any of these countries than Yiska does to me. In this modern world with immigration and movement in the advance state it is, a country is nothing more then the set of ideals that holds it together. What made America great is vanishing at a rapid rate, our values trampled, our morals destroyed as we wonder why the world begins to hate us more and more. We are becoming a society of moping populist retards with no sense of right and wrong, only profit and personal gain.


First of all, let me make something abundantly clear. WE ARE NOT A ******* DEMOCRACY. Your god damn 2nd grade teacher lied to you. We are a republic. Stop saying that we're bringing democracy to Iraq, they're a republic too. Athens in 460 B.C. had a democracy. We're a ******* two party system and you have no power. We're choosing between wrecking our personal freedoms and wrecking our personal freedoms. But hey, if you vote R, at least we'll be safe AMIRITE?


America is a country of misfits. The start of the United States is nothing short of a historical miracle. Protestants, Catholics, Germans, Englishmen, French, Quakers, Puritans and god knows whatever else coming together and defeating the most powerful empire to ever exist is amazing. Our ideals were based upon tolerance and independence. Our first constitution was a failure. The Articles of Federation (which is what America used when we declared war on England) didn't even give the federal government powers of taxation. It had no income what so ever, we had no Army and instead relied completely on state governments. The United State Constitution was devised after the Articles turned out to be a total failure. The federal system was devised with a strong checks and balance system to prevent corruption, an new idea to governing in its era. As sure as the sun will keep shining, we can expect retards to keep ******* great things.


We've seen alcohol banned for 13 years due to the influence of religious groups. We've seen the drinking age raised by the federal government. Sure, the drinking age being raised from 18 to 21 pisses me off, but the way the United States government did it is unconstitutional. Blackmailing the states by withholding millions of dollars in federal funding.

 

We've seen a federal drug war rage on preventing the states from governing their own jurisdiction. Millions of non-violent Americans have been arrested for stupid bull**** policies implemented by ignorant mother******* who haven't the slightest idea of what they're doing. You can't look at the United States drug policy and not see a direct relation to the drug cartel war that is destroying the upper half of Mexico. If you see no correlation and think that our drug policy is fine then you're a ******* tool and should probably do a double suicide with Verdak.

 

Under George W. Bush we watched our rights (clearly defined in the Bill of Rights) shredded by the Patriot Act. Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. (Ben Franklin).


Under the current administration we've seen multiple bans and regulations put in on basic freedoms and rights. The Family Prevention Smoking Act has given more power to the FDA to regulate tobacco products which has resulted in a ban on multiple flavors of tobacco. I don't really care about the actual ban on the flavors seeing how menthol isn't getting touched (no I'm not black), its more or less the idea behind the regulation on this. If the government telling you what flavors of tobacco you can and can't smoke make you realize that our leaders are out of line then nothing will.


You want to know what lead up to the American Revolution? One of the big factors was the Stamp Tax. It was a tax imposed by Parliament after the French-Indian War (Seven Years War if you live outside the US). The Stamp Tax was a tax imposed on all documents that were printed such as newspapers, licenses, and so forth. They generally cost about $.01 to $.03 cents in modern coin. Yes, our country defected because we didn't want to pay a $.01 tax. It wasn't the tax it self, it was the idea that we were being taxed unfairly because the colonies had no representation in Parliament. That doesn't relate to modern policy much except for blocking of things you would normally assume is your human rights.


If you really think America is any better than any country in the European Union right now then you're a ******* tool. What happened to the spirit of not tolerating injustices to ourselves? What about standing up for your rights guaranteed at our beginning of our formation? 

 

"Americans play to win all the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in Hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. Because the very thought of losing is hateful to Americans." ((George S. Patton) Pre-Vietnam LOL))

 

America is going to hell and so is my motivation to stop it.

     
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Dogfacemcgee
Dogfacemcgee Oct 27, 2009 at 12:09 pm
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The Zeitgeist movement and The Venus Project go hand in hand with a gamers current approach to the technological playground.

Check out the movie if you like any of the post.
theSKoT
theSKoT Oct 25, 2009 at 10:29 pm unhide comment
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StoneDrunk
StoneDrunk Oct 25, 2009 at 10:33 pm
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Damecabeza
Damecabeza Oct 25, 2009 at 10:30 pm
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Trxitor
Trxitor Oct 25, 2009 at 10:34 pm
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gd read, like the bit bout the realization that everyone is under the illusion that we think we live in a democracy.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 25, 2009 at 10:37 pm
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trying too hard to state what most reasonable can see.
Siiko
Siiko Oct 25, 2009 at 10:43 pm
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Problem is that the unreasonable outnumber the reasonable 1000 to 1
StoneDrunk
StoneDrunk Oct 25, 2009 at 10:45 pm
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the US government was designed the way it is because the founding fathers didn't trust the masses.

right now we have a populist in office. i guess the failed, eh?
Hektik
Hektik Oct 25, 2009 at 10:56 pm
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StoneDrunk said
the US government was designed the way it is because the founding fathers didn't trust the masses.

right now we have a populist in office. i guess the failed, eh?
The masses back then couldn't even read, I think we've come a long way since then.

Oh and Andrew Jackson was a "populist."
Vir
Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 10:35 am
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Hektik said
The masses back then couldn't even read, I think we've come a long way since then.

Oh and Andrew Jackson was a "populist."
Do we have better leaders today than we did back then?
Secksie
Secksie Oct 25, 2009 at 10:56 pm
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StoneDrunk said
the US government was designed the way it is because the founding fathers didn't trust the masses.

right now we have a populist in office. i guess the failed, eh?
all democracies become progressively easier for demagogues to exploit over time, it was inevitable as long as you let the people have that much involvement in the political system.
StoneDrunk
StoneDrunk Oct 25, 2009 at 10:58 pm
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i guess you missed the part where america isn't a democracy.
Hektik
Hektik Oct 25, 2009 at 11:00 pm
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StoneDrunk said
i guess you missed the part where america isn't a democracy.
It isn't simply a republic either.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 25, 2009 at 11:02 pm
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StoneDrunk said
i guess you missed the part where america isn't a democracy.
I guess you missed the part where "democracy" is effectively synonymous with "any government that is sufficiently democratic". There are no pure democracies in the world, yet we refer to many countries as democracies because they enfranchise their populace to a certain extent.
StoneDrunk
StoneDrunk Oct 25, 2009 at 11:06 pm
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because 100 million+ dollar campaigns, lobbyists, and a two party system for the past 140 years is synonymous with will of the people.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 25, 2009 at 11:12 pm
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StoneDrunk said
because 100 million+ dollar campaigns, lobbyists, and a two party system for the past 140 years is synonymous with will of the people.
many countries that are commonly referred to as democracies only have two important parties... it's a common result of majority voting when only party can win, since minor parties become nearly irrelevant.
StoneDrunk
StoneDrunk Oct 25, 2009 at 11:20 pm
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just because something is commonly referred to as something doesn't actually make it correct. Being elected into an office doesn't give you free reign to do whatever you what.

Hitler, for example, was elected to German office in 1932. I guess the general opinion of the Germans in the 1930s was "kill all of the jews" right?

Election = democracy, confirm/deny?
Secksie
Secksie Oct 25, 2009 at 11:47 pm
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StoneDrunk said
just because something is commonly referred to as something doesn't actually make it correct. Being elected into an office doesn't give you free reign to do whatever you what.

Hitler, for example, was elected to German office in 1932. I guess the general opinion of the Germans in the 1930s was "kill all of the jews" right?

Election = democracy, confirm/deny?
Actually, the majority of the Germans did support the "kill all the jews" policies of Hitler, that's why there's such collective national guilt. Much of it was through indoctrination, but Hitler was legitimately and democratically elected (at least much more democratically so than Obama).
McNasty
McNasty Oct 26, 2009 at 12:36 am
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Secksie said
Actually, the majority of the Germans did support the "kill all the jews" policies of Hitler, that's why there's such collective national guilt. Much of it was through indoctrination, but Hitler was legitimately and democratically elected (at least much more democratically so than Obama).
Sounds similar to how a lot of Americans are being brainwashed by mainstream news, public schools, and Hollywood to think that government is the answer to all their problems. 
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 12:38 am
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McNasty said
Sounds similar to how a lot of Americans are being brainwashed by mainstream news, public schools, and Hollywood to think that government is the answer to all their problems. 
No, that's just Americans being too lazy to deal with their problems themselves and wanting someone else to do the job for them.
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Theo Oct 26, 2009 at 1:32 am
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eh, I think there are more factors than that.
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Barn Oct 26, 2009 at 4:07 am
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United States is a Democratic Republic.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 1:58 pm
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Theo said
eh, I think there are more factors than that.
Yes, but they all stem from our nation's losing it's sense of individual responsibility.
Theo
Theo Oct 26, 2009 at 4:14 pm
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Yeah, I agree. I am just saying I think technology has played a part in it as well.
dub
dub Oct 26, 2009 at 5:00 am
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Secksie said
Actually, the majority of the Germans did support the "kill all the jews" policies of Hitler, that's why there's such collective national guilt. Much of it was through indoctrination, but Hitler was legitimately and democratically elected (at least much more democratically so than Obama).
lol... nice education there buddy.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 1:18 pm
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dub said
lol... nice education there buddy.
lol nice government sponsored revisionist history there buddy.

Facts: Hitler was democratically elected and hugely popular. His policies of anti-semetic propaganda were well executed and effective. What conclusion does that lead you to, champ?
dub
dub Oct 26, 2009 at 1:23 pm
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This is true, but he wasn't popular because "he wanted to kill all the jews". That's the conclusion of a third-grader. Maybe you want to read up German history from 1919 - 1933 first.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 1:56 pm
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dub said
This is true, but he wasn't popular because "he wanted to kill all the jews". That's the conclusion of a third-grader. Maybe you want to read up German history from 1919 - 1933 first.
I never said that. He was popular because he was massively charismatic and benefited from a disgruntled German population that hated the way their country was being run.
I just said that most germans supported his policies towards the jews. Maybe you'd like to learn some reading comprehension rather than sticking words in people's mouths.
dub
dub Oct 26, 2009 at 2:00 pm
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I don't really know what your impression is, but Hitler didn't step on a balcony in 1933 and said "LISTEN FOLKS, I WILL LEAD GERMANY TO A DEVASTATING ALL-OUT WAR AND KILL 6 MILLION JEWS!" He was popular for other reasons.

Antisemitism was widespread throughout Europe, just like racism in the US. That doesn't mean most Americans supported the wipeout of blacks. Imagine I would conclude such bull****. You'd laugh me off the stage.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:03 pm
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dub said
I don't really know what your impression is, but Hitler didn't step on a balcony in 1933 and said "LISTEN FOLKS, I WILL LEAD GERMANY TO A DEVASTATING ALL-OUT WAR AND KILL 6 MILLION JEWS!" He was popular for other reasons.

Antisemitism was widespread throughout Europe, just like racism in the US. That doesn't mean most Americans supported the wipeout of blacks. Imagine I would conclude such bull****. You'd laugh me off the stage.
Anti-semitism was prevalent throughout Europe, and after Hitler came into power he ran massive propaganda campaigns to demonize the Jews further. No, at the outset he did not announce his intention to kill the jews, however by the time he had started to implement those policies a majority of the German population was behind him on that. This is what propaganda can do.
dub
dub Oct 26, 2009 at 2:09 pm
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You surely can source such a sweeping accusation. The Wannsee Conference wasn't broadcasted to the general populace.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:14 pm
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dub said
You surely can source such a sweeping accusation. The Wannsee Conference wasn't broadcasted to the general populace.
While the Wannsee Conference wasn't broadcasted to the general populace, that was very late in the game (1942 if i can remember off the top of my head). Many of the atrocities against Jews (kristallnacht, etc) had already happened with the knowledge and participation of the german populace.
StoneDrunk
StoneDrunk Oct 26, 2009 at 2:18 pm
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You realize that Hitler was pursuing all minorities that he felt dangerous to his power, correct?

it wasn't just the jews, it was the Roma (gypsies), intellectual Germans, blacks and free masons to name a few.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:20 pm
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StoneDrunk said
You realize that Hitler was pursuing all minorities that he felt dangerous to his power, correct?

it wasn't just the jews, it was the Roma (gypsies), intellectual Germans, blacks and free masons to name a few.
Yes, but most of the propaganda was targeted at the Jews since they were the easiest identifiable group and already had huge amounts of latent hatred towards them to be exploited.
dub
dub Oct 26, 2009 at 2:22 pm
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Secksie said
While the Wannsee Conference wasn't broadcasted to the general populace, that was very late in the game (1942 if i can remember off the top of my head). Many of the atrocities against Jews (kristallnacht, etc) had already happened with the knowledge and participation of the german populace.
Yes, 65 million Germans chased those Jews across Germany in 1938...
Vir
Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 2:12 pm
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Secksie said
Anti-semitism was prevalent throughout Europe, and after Hitler came into power he ran massive propaganda campaigns to demonize the Jews further. No, at the outset he did not announce his intention to kill the jews, however by the time he had started to implement those policies a majority of the German population was behind him on that. This is what propaganda can do.
If you gave the europeans a little magical button they could press to do away with the jews, I have little doubt they'd press it.  I wouldn't argue the point with Dub, he loves the statist indoctrination he received along with the "OFFICIAL HISTORY OF GERMANY".
dub
dub Oct 26, 2009 at 2:18 pm
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Vir said
If you gave the europeans a little magical button they could press to do away with the jews, I have little doubt they'd press it.  I wouldn't argue the point with Dub, he loves the statist indoctrination he received along with the "OFFICIAL HISTORY OF GERMANY".
Shut it you fat racist ****.
Vir
Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 2:21 pm
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Shut it you fat racist ****.

I'm not fat, nor am I a ****.  I'm not racist either, but from your little mind I realize you just use that as a synonym for "I DONT LIKE YOU".

I guess what I said hit a little too close to home, eh?
dub
dub Oct 26, 2009 at 2:24 pm
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Vir said
Shut it you fat racist ****.

I'm not fat, nor am I a ****.  I'm not racist either, but from your little mind I realize you just use that as a synonym for "I DONT LIKE YOU".

I guess what I said hit a little too close to home, eh?
Why do think I care in the first place? Jesus, I was kidding you fat ****.
Vir
Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 2:26 pm
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dub said
Why do think I care in the first place? Jesus, I was kidding you fat ****.
Yeah right, we know you're a NATIONALIST.
StoneDrunk
StoneDrunk Oct 26, 2009 at 2:19 pm
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They didn't give them a button, they gave them a country.
Vir
Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 2:21 pm
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StoneDrunk said
They didn't give them a button, they gave them a country.
Yeah, they're just working on giving Iran the button so it's done by proxy.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:39 pm
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Vir said
Yeah, they're just working on giving Iran the button so it's done by proxy.
It'd bring peace to the middle east!!!
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Molo Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 am
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Secksie said
Actually, the majority of the Germans did support the "kill all the jews" policies of Hitler, that's why there's such collective national guilt. Much of it was through indoctrination, but Hitler was legitimately and democratically elected (at least much more democratically so than Obama).
"Actually, the majority of the Germans did support the "kill all the jews" policies of Hitler, that's why there's such collective national guilt. Much of it was through indoctrination, but Hitler was legitimately and democratically elected (at least much more democratically so than Obama)."

Wow you are dumb. What makes you think the majority of Germans at the time supported this?
Vir
Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 10:34 am
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What makes you think the majority of Germans at the time supported this?

Have you ever met a German?  Of course they did!
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Diba Oct 26, 2009 at 10:53 am
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Efficient propaganda by the Germans made the people think communists and jews were the reason they lost the First World War, so, yeah. Might not have made them go "kill all the jews", but more like "**** all the jews".
Molo
Molo Oct 26, 2009 at 11:07 am
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yeh I agree that with all the propaganda they probably would have developed a dislike for the jews/communists  (as probably would most people who were subject to it) but that doesnt mean they supported killing the jews as secksie stated
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:04 pm
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Molo said
yeh I agree that with all the propaganda they probably would have developed a dislike for the jews/communists  (as probably would most people who were subject to it) but that doesnt mean they supported killing the jews as secksie stated
When your government inundates you with propaganda likening a race to cockroaches and vermin, you have no problem with their extermination.
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KuroRP Oct 26, 2009 at 2:17 pm
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Secksie said
Actually, the majority of the Germans did support the "kill all the jews" policies of Hitler, that's why there's such collective national guilt. Much of it was through indoctrination, but Hitler was legitimately and democratically elected (at least much more democratically so than Obama).
My child, you are so confused. Hitler was not elected anything by the masses, there was an internal election which gave him control over the Nazi party but that was outside of public control. Hitler was appointed Chancellor of a coalition government independent of parliamentary parites by the then elected President of Germany.

It is this same extreme warping of past events that leads people to deny Christ (our savior) as their savior. With all your "science" you can't even remember the events of a historic event such as the Nazi movement or the Creation of Heaven and Earth. 

I will pray for you Secksie.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:23 pm
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KuroRP said
My child, you are so confused. Hitler was not elected anything by the masses, there was an internal election which gave him control over the Nazi party but that was outside of public control. Hitler was appointed Chancellor of a coalition government independent of parliamentary parites by the then elected President of Germany.

It is this same extreme warping of past events that leads people to deny Christ (our savior) as their savior. With all your "science" you can't even remember the events of a historic event such as the Nazi movement or the Creation of Heaven and Earth. 

I will pray for you Secksie.
The Nazi party (LEAD AND FRONTED BY HITLER) had by far the greatest percent in the last election in Germany (44%) which was sufficient to give them a strong coalition government. Yes, no one voted directly for Hitler, but they voted for the Nazis, which is one and the same.

Go back into your hole, woman.
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KuroRP Oct 26, 2009 at 2:41 pm
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Secksie said
The Nazi party (LEAD AND FRONTED BY HITLER) had by far the greatest percent in the last election in Germany (44%) which was sufficient to give them a strong coalition government. Yes, no one voted directly for Hitler, but they voted for the Nazis, which is one and the same.

Go back into your hole, woman.
My child, your mind has yet again been warped and marred by this so called "science".

Hitler LOST all elections prior to being appointed Chancellor (a roll he forced upon himself through bribery and endless campaigning) to Hindenburg.

His success after Chancellorship was down to suppression by intimidation of rival parties and his persuasion to dissolve the Reichstag (a job only Hindenburg had power to do).

Campaigning continued thereafter, with the Hitler making use of paramilitary violence, anti-communist hysteria, and the government's resources for propaganda. And even then he was unable to attain absolute majority.

Perhaps you should have gone to Church, where only the truth is taught, instead of School where they preach popularist materials and tailor you for Satan's Domain.
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:45 pm
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KuroRP said
My child, your mind has yet again been warped and marred by this so called "science".

Hitler LOST all elections prior to being appointed Chancellor (a roll he forced upon himself through bribery and endless campaigning) to Hindenburg.

His success after Chancellorship was down to suppression by intimidation of rival parties and his persuasion to dissolve the Reichstag (a job only Hindenburg had power to do).

Campaigning continued thereafter, with the Hitler making use of paramilitary violence, anti-communist hysteria, and the government's resources for propaganda. And even then he was unable to attain absolute majority.

Perhaps you should have gone to Church, where only the truth is taught, instead of School where they preach popularist materials and tailor you for Satan's Domain.
Hindenburg had dissolved the Reichstag after a vote of no confidence passed (which was his obligation constitutionally). The party which won the first election only won due to the momentum of incumbency and had lost nearly all of its support to the Nazis within a year, which is why Hitler was appointed Chancellor. At the time when Hitler was appointed Chancellor, the Nazis had already surpassed them as the most powerful political party in Germany, and his appointment merely reflected that.
Women aren't equipped to debate politics. Go back to your kitchen and cook some cookies. You can even put a cross on them!
KuroRP
KuroRP Oct 26, 2009 at 3:03 pm
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Secksie said
Hindenburg had dissolved the Reichstag after a vote of no confidence passed (which was his obligation constitutionally). The party which won the first election only won due to the momentum of incumbency and had lost nearly all of its support to the Nazis within a year, which is why Hitler was appointed Chancellor. At the time when Hitler was appointed Chancellor, the Nazis had already surpassed them as the most powerful political party in Germany, and his appointment merely reflected that.
Women aren't equipped to debate politics. Go back to your kitchen and cook some cookies. You can even put a cross on them!
My child, again you turn to false information taught to you at athiest-driven schools for the truth, when the truth is staring down at you from the Heavens.

Once Hitler had been sworn in as Chancellor and head of the coalition government, he called on Hindenburg to dissolve the Reichstag and draw a new parliamentary election in the hope that he could acquire a National Socialist majority to secure his position and eliminate the communist opposition. At ANY point the President could have removed his Chancellorship and foiled the entire plot, but he didnt. Hitler did not have power at this point, Hindenburg did. 

He was trying to abolish democracy by passing the Enabling act (i would explain the details of the Enabling act, but you would probably deny its existence much like you deny Christ (our savior)'s existence).

To pass the Enabling Act, the Nazis had to have a vote by 2/3 majority in the Reichstag, but they could only get 32% so were restricted.

The Nazi party then set fire to the Reichstag building and blamed it on Communists, effectively destroying their party.

He sucked up remaining votes with extreme propaganda and fear tactics.

Noone voted for the Nazis, the voted for anti-communism. The Nazis just happened to be in the opposite seat.

Go back to school and tell them God sent you. 
Secksie
Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 3:12 pm
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KuroRP said
My child, again you turn to false information taught to you at athiest-driven schools for the truth, when the truth is staring down at you from the Heavens.

Once Hitler had been sworn in as Chancellor and head of the coalition government, he called on Hindenburg to dissolve the Reichstag and draw a new parliamentary election in the hope that he could acquire a National Socialist majority to secure his position and eliminate the communist opposition. At ANY point the President could have removed his Chancellorship and foiled the entire plot, but he didnt. Hitler did not have power at this point, Hindenburg did. 

He was trying to abolish democracy by passing the Enabling act (i would explain the details of the Enabling act, but you would probably deny its existence much like you deny Christ (our savior)'s existence).

To pass the Enabling Act, the Nazis had to have a vote by 2/3 majority in the Reichstag, but they could only get 32% so were restricted.

The Nazi party then set fire to the Reichstag building and blamed it on Communists, effectively destroying their party.

He sucked up remaining votes with extreme propaganda and fear tactics.

Noone voted for the Nazis, the voted for anti-communism. The Nazis just happened to be in the opposite seat.

Go back to school and tell them God sent you. 
The truth is the truth. There's no relationship to the heavens, as you'd know if you had a brain. Hindenburg was CONSTITUTIONALLY OBLIGATED to dissolve the parliament after a vote of no confidence, Hitler just orchestrated the vote by playing on people's feelings of dissatisfaction. While you're right about the enabling act, Nazis didn't destroy
the Reichstag, though they definitely exploited the political climate
after it. Stop spreading theories that have been long invalidated.

While people can debate Christ's significance and existence, one thing is indisputable - he, like everyone important, was a man. Get back to your ******* kitchen and leave debating to your betters.
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KuroRP Oct 26, 2009 at 3:21 pm
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The truth is the truth. There's no relationship to the heavens, as you'd know if you had a brain. Hindenburg was CONSTITUTIONALLY OBLIGATED to dissolve the parliament after a vote of no confidence, Hitler just orchestrated the vote by playing on people's feelings of dissatisfaction. While you're right about the enabling act, Nazis didn't destroy
the Reichstag, though they definitely exploited the political climate
after it. Stop spreading theories that have been long invalidated.

While people can debate Christ's significance and existence, one thing is indisputable - he, like everyone important, was a man. Get back to your ******* kitchen and leave debating to your betters.
Yes the truth IS the truth. But what is the truth? The truth is that which God has taught us in his infinite wisdom. We do not make our own truths. The Heavens have a DIRECT relationship to the truth, as you'd know if you had a soul.

Nazis did destroy the Reichstag.

I dispute Christ (our savior) being just a man. That, by definition, makes it disputable. There's some truth for you. Do not fret my child, there is more truth to the world than we could ever discover for ourselves. It is only by looking to the heavens and accepting Christ's (our savior) loving tendrils into our hearts that we can hope to glimpse the truth in its most pure of forms.

Hindenburg could have removed Hitler's Chancellorship before he ever orchestrated a vote. He was only CONSTITUTIONALLY OBLIGATED because of his own ineptitude.

Church, my child. You will learn more there than any "science" class will ever teach you.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 3:24 pm
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Yes the truth IS the truth. But what is the truth? The truth is that which God has taught us in his infinite wisdom. We do not make our own truths. The Heavens have a DIRECT relationship to the truth, as you'd know if you had a soul.

Nazis did destroy the Reichstag.

I dispute Christ (our savior) being just a man. That, by definition, makes it disputable. There's some truth for you. Do not fret my child, there is more truth to the world than we could ever discover for ourselves. It is only by looking to the heavens and accepting Christ's (our savior) loving tendrils into our hearts that we can hope to glimpse the truth in its most pure of forms.

Hindenburg could have removed Hitler's Chancellorship before he ever orchestrated a vote. He was only CONSTITUTIONALLY OBLIGATED because of his own ineptitude.

Church, my child. You will learn more there than any "science" class will ever teach you.
Learn one of the dictates of your religion, which is that you shouldn't argue with men, and get back to your ******* kitchen, before you book yourself a firstclass ticket to hell.
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KuroRP Oct 26, 2009 at 3:28 pm
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Learn one of the dictates of your religion, which is that you shouldn't argue with men, and get back to your ******* kitchen, before you book yourself a firstclass ticket to hell.
I go by that which has being spoken by the Lord and by Christ (our savior). Christ supported Mary Magdalene in her disputes with authority, authority consisting only of men. He also encouraged his own mother to argue with the Romans on his walk towards crucifiction.

I know what is in my heart, and that which has been given to me by Christ (our savior) and not that which has been poorly translated by blasphemers such as yourself.

Dont call to suppress that which has taught you so much. And by that I mean me. 

Let us pray.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 3:32 pm
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I go by that which has being spoken by the Lord and by Christ (our savior). Christ supported Mary Magdalene in her disputes with authority, authority consisting only of men. He also encouraged his own mother to argue with the Romans on his walk towards crucifiction.

I know what is in my heart, and that which has been given to me by Christ (our savior) and not that which has been poorly translated by blasphemers such as yourself.

Dont call to suppress that which has taught you so much. And by that I mean me. 

Let us pray.
You have taught no one anything whatsoever in your life except that you're a giant retard.

You're probably a bitter fat chick who takes solace in religion because no guys would ever touch her even after a handle of vodka. Go be bitter somewhere else rather than disturbing your betters. And you have no idea what your savior or lord has spoken, given that ALL your information about them is through the translations of blasphemers.

Go fail more, *****.
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KuroRP Oct 26, 2009 at 3:39 pm
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You have taught no one anything whatsoever in your life except that you're a giant retard.

You're probably a bitter fat chick who takes solace in religion because no guys would ever touch her even after a handle of vodka. Go be bitter somewhere else rather than disturbing your betters. And you have no idea what your savior or lord has spoken, given that ALL your information about them is through the translations of blasphemers.

Go fail more, *****.
I have taught you much, my child. This very thread is proof of that.

I do not associate with those who "touch" women after a handle of vodka. I have never engaged in intercourse out of choice and my hatred for premarital relations.

If you wish to "get some" in places where the alchohol flows freely and the women have contracted innumerable genital diseases, then feel free. And you can look forward to much more frequent penetration in Satan's Domain (Satan himself is a homosexual).

And I have first hand knowledge of what Christ (our savior) has spoken, for I accept his loving tendrils into my heart at every opportunity.

In spite of your words of hate and spewing of false Nazi information (I blame "science" not you) I will continue to pray for you Secksie. Go with peace.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 3:41 pm
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I have taught you much, my child. This very thread is proof of that.

I do not associate with those who "touch" women after a handle of vodka. I have never engaged in intercourse out of choice and my hatred for premarital relations.

If you wish to "get some" in places where the alchohol flows freely and the women have contracted innumerable genital diseases, then feel free. And you can look forward to much more frequent penetration in Satan's Domain (Satan himself is a homosexual).

And I have first hand knowledge of what Christ (our savior) has spoken, for I accept his loving tendrils into my heart at every opportunity.

In spite of your words of hate and spewing of false Nazi information (I blame "science" not you) I will continue to pray for you Secksie. Go with peace.
I hope for the sake of humanity that you're a troll and not actually serious.

And your "facts" on Nazism are retarded and patently false.
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KuroRP Oct 26, 2009 at 3:44 pm
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I hope for the sake of humanity that you're a troll and not actually serious.

And your "facts" on Nazism are retarded and patently false.
So when you find someone who provides truth which counters your arguements, you put it down to trolling rather than finding a better alternative.

Such is the athiest mentality.

And my "facts" are just that.

Go with peace.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 3:48 pm
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So when you find someone who provides truth which counters your arguements, you put it down to trolling rather than finding a better alternative.

Such is the athiest mentality.

And my "facts" are just that.

Go with peace.
If you had a brain and basic reading comprehension, you'd see I was referring to what you just wrote, which had nothing to do with your argument and everything to do with your "morality".

Making blanket generalizations without knowing anything, such is the Christian fundamentalist mentality.
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KuroRP Oct 26, 2009 at 3:53 pm
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If you had a brain and basic reading comprehension, you'd see I was referring to what you just wrote, which had nothing to do with your argument and everything to do with your "morality".

Making blanket generalizations without knowing anything, such is the Christian fundamentalist mentality.
If you call my morality into question, then your dispute is with Christ (our savior) for all I do, I do in His name.

And I didnt make any generalizations, your Athiest mind, polluted as it is by "science", has yet to inform you of right and wrong, those who know much and those who know little.

When your mind is suffieciently ready to accept the truth, I shall be here to accept your apologies.

Go with peace.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 3:56 pm
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Well, at least you're a good way for me to amuse myself.

And "So when you find someone who provides truth which counters your
arguements, you put it down to trolling rather than finding a better
alternative.
Such is the athiest mentality." is clearly not a generalization.

Of course not.

Retard.
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KuroRP Oct 26, 2009 at 5:10 pm
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Well, at least you're a good way for me to amuse myself.

And "So when you find someone who provides truth which counters your
arguements, you put it down to trolling rather than finding a better
alternative.
Such is the athiest mentality." is clearly not a generalization.

Of course not.

Retard.
It's not so much a generalisation as a definition of Atheism. Anyone who disagrees with you is either retarded or a troll. Because there couldnt possibly be anything outside of your precious "science" now could there?

Well let me tell you, there is. The Lord has given us a powerful gift, and instead you choose to deny him and shout down those who see the truth.

He will forgive you, should you at any point in your earthly life see the light.

I will pray for you Secksie.

Go with peace.
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klee Oct 27, 2009 at 10:44 am
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I have taught you much, my child. This very thread is proof of that.

I do not associate with those who "touch" women after a handle of vodka. I have never engaged in intercourse out of choice and my hatred for premarital relations.

If you wish to "get some" in places where the alchohol flows freely and the women have contracted innumerable genital diseases, then feel free. And you can look forward to much more frequent penetration in Satan's Domain (Satan himself is a homosexual).

And I have first hand knowledge of what Christ (our savior) has spoken, for I accept his loving tendrils into my heart at every opportunity.

In spite of your words of hate and spewing of false Nazi information (I blame "science" not you) I will continue to pray for you Secksie. Go with peace.
ROFL
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F8L Fool Nov 2, 2009 at 3:15 am
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WoW KuroRP!!! WOWWW!!! Someone even younger than I am walking around calling others "child".

Organized religion is like one gigantic mass delusion. Also you claim to "never engaged in intercourse out of choice..." so by that I presume you were forced at one time or another?

Oh and Kuro, according to your religion Dinosaurs never existed and the Earth is ~6000 years old. Discuss.

P.S. Millions of people have died "in the name of God", in countless wars. So saying that all you do is "in His name" is pretty out there. Serial killers have used that same line, and that's pretty bad company to be lumped in with.
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klee Oct 27, 2009 at 10:49 am
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Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 10:33 am
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Secksie said
many countries that are commonly referred to as democracies only have two important parties... it's a common result of majority voting when only party can win, since minor parties become nearly irrelevant.
Name Ten.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 1:16 pm
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Name Ten.
Australia - Labor and the Coalition
India (commonly referred to as the world's biggest democracy) - BJP and Congress
Germany - Christian Democratic Union and the Social Democratic Party of Germany
France - French Socialist and the RPR which turned into the modern UMP
Jamaica - PNP and JLP
United States (because I only want to remember 9)
Britain - Labor and Conservatives
Canada (i don't actually know anything about canada's politics so i might be wrong, but i've definitely heard this)
Japan - (almost effectively dominant party in recent times though)
Taiwan - Pan-Green and Pan-Blue

There? Happy? When two parties are getting a large chunk of the vote, it makes it feel futile to vote for a different party, so they get disproportionately large sections of the vote. It's logical and happens nearly whenever incumbent parties stay in power for a reasonable amount of time.
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Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 1:31 pm
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Japan has one party (basically until the last election).  India has **** representation per citizen (worse than the US).   Britain has the BNP and Greens, France has like 50 parties one of which is the nationa front,  etc.

America has two parties because the two parties conspire to keep third parties out of the political process.  This was most evident with the reform party.   My overall impression is just about every other country that made up "Western Civilization" is more open to multiple parties than we are.

 
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 1:55 pm
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Japan has one party (basically until the last election).  India has **** representation per citizen (worse than the US).   Britain has the BNP and Greens, France has like 50 parties one of which is the nationa front,  etc.

America has two parties because the two parties conspire to keep third parties out of the political process.  This was most evident with the reform party.   My overall impression is just about every other country that made up "Western Civilization" is more open to multiple parties than we are.

 
India has great representation amongst the percentage of the population that should be voting (the urban classes) given that the rural classes are horribly uneducated and shouldn't be enfranchised. The BNP is a non factor and are demonized, the greens have as much political clout as our libertarian and green parties here. France has many parties but the coalitions that wield executive parties are only ever one out of two.

Yes, we're probably even worse off than they are, but it isn't by much, to be fair.
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Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 1:58 pm
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India has great representation amongst the percentage of the population that should be voting (the urban classes) given that the rural classes are horribly uneducated and shouldn't be enfranchised. The BNP is a non factor and are demonized, the greens have as much political clout as our libertarian and green parties here. France has many parties but the coalitions that wield executive parties are only ever one out of two.

Yes, we're probably even worse off than they are, but it isn't by much, to be fair.
It really isn't a democracy if you don't get the stupid people voting.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 1:59 pm
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It really isn't a democracy if you don't get the stupid people voting.
Why? It all depends on how you define "people". If i don't think that people with IQ<100 are people, they definitely shouldn't be a part of democracy. And everything would work much better.
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betterthanyou Oct 26, 2009 at 2:03 pm
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:05 pm
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so, half of the population?
less would be better.
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betterthanyou Oct 26, 2009 at 2:06 pm
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i dont ******* vote anyway, i'll keep doing what i want until i'm arrested, or killed. that's america.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:08 pm
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i dont ******* vote anyway, i'll keep doing what i want until i'm arrested, or killed. that's america.
damn straight.
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Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 2:08 pm
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Why? It all depends on how you define "people". If i don't think that people with IQ<100 are people, they definitely shouldn't be a part of democracy. And everything would work much better.
Why? It all depends on how you define "people". If i don't think that
people with IQ<100 are people, they definitely shouldn't be a part
of democracy


Well, stupid people quite clearly are people.   The overall problem I have with it is when people claim democracies somehow represent the "will of the people" that just really isn't true.

And everything would work much better.

I don't think I could argue against that.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:15 pm
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Why? It all depends on how you define "people". If i don't think that
people with IQ<100 are people, they definitely shouldn't be a part
of democracy


Well, stupid people quite clearly are people.   The overall problem I have with it is when people claim democracies somehow represent the "will of the people" that just really isn't true.

And everything would work much better.

I don't think I could argue against that.
They don't represent the will of the people. And they shouldn't. People are generally stupid, and none of us is as stupid as all of us.
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Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 2:23 pm
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They don't represent the will of the people. And they shouldn't. People are generally stupid, and none of us is as stupid as all of us.
Maybe, but in our government this is checked against already (by the executive and the judicial branches).   So the house of representatives should be as close to a direct democracy as possible.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:24 pm
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Maybe, but in our government this is checked against already (by the executive and the judicial branches).   So the house of representatives should be as close to a direct democracy as possible.
Given that the executive is (as we have seen) susceptible to demagoguery and the judicial is merely an extension of the executive since FDR, our checks and balances aren't really working.
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Vir Oct 26, 2009 at 2:32 pm
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Given that the executive is (as we have seen) susceptible to demagoguery and the judicial is merely an extension of the executive since FDR, our checks and balances aren't really working.
I see the problem more from a lack of representation than too much.  I don't think the US government follows the will of the people much at all, if so we wouldn't be handing out money to banks, fighting multiple wars, etc.   It doesn't seem that the "elites" are making good choices.
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Secksie Oct 26, 2009 at 2:35 pm
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I see the problem more from a lack of representation than too much.  I don't think the US government follows the will of the people much at all, if so we wouldn't be handing out money to banks, fighting multiple wars, etc.   It doesn't seem that the "elites" are making good choices.
I know where you're coming from on the banks issue, but honestly most models show our recession would be nearly inescapable if the banks had failed (loss in personal solvency, which is the cornerstone of capitalism), so some amount of bailing them out was required.
And most of the people in the US (sadly enough) did support the wars.
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NoFrag Oct 27, 2009 at 1:46 am
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Vir said
Why? It all depends on how you define "people". If i don't think that
people with IQ<100 are people, they definitely shouldn't be a part
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Well, stupid people quite clearly are people.   The overall problem I have with it is when people claim democracies somehow represent the "will of the people" that just really isn't true.

And everything would work much better.

I don't think I could argue against that.
Well, stupid people too are concerned by the decisions made at the governement. What you want is something closer to Hitler point of view.

The real problem isn't the people being stupid, it's the people having little interest in politics and world affairs and thus, being ignorant of the trade going in that matter.

Many people mix intelligence with knowledge, both are 2 different things. An engineer is intelligent, a historian got knowledge, one doesn't prevent the other. There's not need to be a genius in order to vote, I'm not doing pure science in CEGEP and I'm still aware of what's happening in canadian politics.
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Vir Oct 27, 2009 at 1:10 pm
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Stupid people are prone to demagogues.  I'm not against stupid people voting, fyi.
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NoFrag Oct 27, 2009 at 1:36 am
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Canada got 4 main parties on the federal level : Conservative (right) Liberals (center) New Democratic Party (left) and the Bloc Québécois (quebec independance party). There's also the Green Party who sucks about 7% of the votes

As for France, I know there's at least 3 main group and many more smaller entities. Nicolas Sarkozy (UMP, right)
Marie-Ségolène Royal (socialist party) and Jean-Marie Le Pen (Front national, big time right)
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Stantler Oct 27, 2009 at 8:05 am
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^^^^^^^^ Comment tower of idiots ^^^^^^^^
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Vir Oct 27, 2009 at 1:11 pm
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Legionnaire Oct 25, 2009 at 11:04 pm
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Most people are morons, they always have been, they always will be.  Did you not know this?
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Iori Oct 25, 2009 at 11:08 pm
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Interesting considering MLK Jr. last speech before he was assassinated was titled, "Why America May Go to Hell". Very profound document you made good man. Sometimes I wonder myself if everything has to burn for it to be made right. Time will tell...
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kyz Oct 25, 2009 at 11:14 pm
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Most of the founding fathers were free masons. Going to hell isnt subject to this country alone, it is the entire world. Nothing has changed over the thousands of years and nothing will ever change.
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Cooldown Oct 25, 2009 at 11:42 pm
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i didnt read your blog but america isnt an empire noob
blog vitals
its 420 somewhere.
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