spoiler:iori is korgath

also srsly. do u think ure gonna make a member of a "special handout group" say he's against handouts?..
just think of any other case.

Okies. The first one says "CLASS NOT RACE", perfectly echoing my points earlier (one of the defining characteristics of the middle class is the prevalence of university education and books in homes). The second is just some standard nonsense that begins with a quotation perfectly reinforcing my point earlier (that genetic differences between races are totally irrelevant), so I'm not sure where you're going with that?

You just agreed with me o.O

Yes and no.  I was trying to get you to see another side of the argument. Even though Class is the core issue, race has been apart of that. The article was arguing Racism used as a tool to divide class. Not Racism institutionalized in America's founding.


Racism is taken advantage of the divide the working class. The problems blacks face is the same as poor whites. HOwever you have whites that view AA, as a component to disenfranchise their ability to succed on behalf of black people and other minorities, when in reality it is not. Resentment and anger in the white working class is being monopolized against legislation that is actually made to combat the poor economic conditions minorities have been put in as a result of institutionalized racism in our countries founding and post industrial age, while at the same time being further instigated by Corporate and Conservative interest that race bait in order to gain voter support to further Capitalist agendas, with the expense of destroying the country socially. Thats what I have been arguing. We haven't 100% disagreed, we just argued from two different angles...

rofl the 2nd one is left-dialectical essay
u really need affirmative action

Well, yes there are some chaps who argue against Affirmative Action because they are racist, but my point was not really about the reasoning for general discontent with affirmative action but about how the institution itself should be improved. I never said race was not a part of the overall structure of what's going on, but simply pointed out that just as in my example blonde hair is connected, there are better ways to get to where you want to go than testing the blonde hair. As in this example, there are better ways to help the disadvantaged than checking their race; and these would be checking the signs of educational disadvantage.

I view Affirmative Action as racist because racism, in its simplest form, is a version of a particular logical fallacy; first, that members of a group are defined by the aggregate properties of a group (eg, all women are weak because on average women are weaker than men) and second, that race is the primary arbiter of a significant number of characteristics. This very firmly falls into the latter category; when you can not use race as a method of distinguishing between two groups, one shouldn't. No matter how ideologically appealing it seems. In a truly equal society, race only matters when discussing heart disease and skin cancer. That is where we should be striving to get to.

IQ tests say otherwise.

In a truly equal society, race only matters when discussing heart disease and skin cancer.

eh racial identity matters most actually ...

If you believe in Affirmative Action then you are a racist, but that is just one small example. I find this sentence extremely hilarious and ironic. 


             (Obama)     (Obama)            (Minorities)                                       (Muslimes)
Not the myths of propogandist, and naivete of people who bury their head in the sand.

If you believe in Affirmative Action then you are a racist, but that is just one small example. I find this sentence extremely hilarious and ironic. 


             (Obama)     (Obama)            (Minorities)                                       (Muslimes)
Not the myths of propogandist, and naivete of people who bury their head in the sand.